subport Posted September 1, 2014 Posted September 1, 2014 but the way they sell them makes no sense , why sell the pc in a 50 cad only ? don't really know. but that is the reason I like it more won't be overproduced because not everybody willing to pull the trigger on 50 cabs. and they need 4-5 years to come along. for that reason a 50 cab is just the way. (okay could be slb but still)
PigFish Posted September 1, 2014 Posted September 1, 2014 That's what's wrong with the cigar world , always looking for some thing new . This is a telling statement. It represents several things to me. One, the seasoned cigar smoker is losing interest. The seasoned cigar smoker knows that there is ample variation in the cigars already made. Cigars vary cigar to cigar, year to year, box to box. Something new has always been there… The seasoned cigar smoker already knows it, the '3 cigars for the course' smoker does not and never will. This is poor leadership by Tabacuba. While attempting to move their product into the luxury market, Tabacuba should understand that those that buy luxury products "expect" the performance of the high ticket item. One does not buy a Porsche because it is new. One buys it, because it has proven itself to be great in the past. Tabacuba is throwing that away… A very stupid move! I am afraid that if they think I am gonna' double down on an RE/EL they have got another thing coming. I smoke some of what I consider the great, 'proletariat' cigars from the recent past. They taste good almost every time and every time I light up, I get something new. I have enough cigars to wait them out. So I say FU Tabacuba! ..!.. (that is my middle finger emoticon)… -the Pig 2
khomeinist Posted September 1, 2014 Posted September 1, 2014 Said it before but the marketing wing of HSA is a complete joke. These brands need to be differentiated conceptually (owned a individually would be better of course). Global versus regional brands is not a strategy that will increase sales. Deferring risk to distributers is not a strategy that will help long-term viability. ERDM should not have a cigar over 46 RG. RIP to the best cigars the world has seen. 1
khomeinist Posted September 1, 2014 Posted September 1, 2014 Going to smoke a GeE and smoke a goat leg. Cheers folks. 1
Laxman Posted September 1, 2014 Posted September 1, 2014 Love the CS with 5 plus years on them. Had not had much luck fresh. The RE's are decent but pricey and HTF at reasonable prices. It is a same as the marca used to be a power house and has become more of a disgrace due to HSA
mk05 Posted September 1, 2014 Posted September 1, 2014 If you like Choix of today, you will love SLR Regios and Connie #1. 1
khomeinist Posted September 1, 2014 Posted September 1, 2014 If you like Choix of today, you will love SLR Regios and Connie #1. Haha. Very true. Brands need to be sold off. That should be the FOH***** mantra..... I want ERDM though. Will use modern marketing strategies. I promise.....
Maplepie Posted September 1, 2014 Posted September 1, 2014 That should be the FOH***** mantra..... foh*****.......
mk05 Posted September 2, 2014 Posted September 2, 2014 I want ERDM though. Will use modern marketing strategies. I promise..... The questions asked are not what you need to ask, which is why the answer is always, "needs 5 years." 1
sactochris Posted September 2, 2014 Posted September 2, 2014 I think Habanos should be strengthening brands not getting rid of them.
Maplepie Posted September 2, 2014 Posted September 2, 2014 I think Habanos should be strengthening brands not getting rid of them. *ahem* cuaba *ahem*
tippexx Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 The questions asked are not what you need to ask, which is why the answer is always, "needs 5 years." Which is more of an excuse than an answer .... and trotted not only for ERdM. I've given the CS a boxload of chances, and sorry Shlomo, I have to agree with Captain Quint, they're cardboard shite and only beaten for shiteness by the Epoc's (EPoxy's would have been more appropriate). The DT .... nice little cigar and I try to have one box open plus another sleeping. The 'dead' skinnies I've still a few hoarded away, they're good, maybe not quite in the same league as the LGC's, but good enough. As for the Regionals, I've not tried all of them but they're pretty much of a muchness, quick buck opportunities and I would agree with the Boss, experimentation ... all of which have obviously failed as nothing's followed through into regular production. ERdM as a brand need a new narrow RG .... the market which is mostly made up of big smoke lovers .... don't.
SCgarman Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 I think Habanos should be strengthening brands not getting rid of them. Why may I ask? All Cuban cigars are made with the same tobacco grown in the same regions. What purpose is there to having 30 or so different brands?
CaptainQuintero Posted September 3, 2014 Author Posted September 3, 2014 Why may I ask? All Cuban cigars are made with the same tobacco grown in the same regions. What purpose is there to having 30 or so different brands? The same question could be asked of whisky all being from Scotland but the reasons why would be the same. Cuba tried having a 'one cigar for all' approach with Siboney.
Maplepie Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Why may I ask? All Cuban cigars are made with the same tobacco grown in the same regions.Heresy! The different kinds of styles are evident by the way they look - veins, feel, etc. Sent by the Enigma on BlackBerry. 1
garbandz Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 ERDM, at what point do you put it out of it's misery? when it's about 1 inch long......... agree strongly that there is room in the lineup for other sizes,really miss the pc,would enjoy a corona gorda................
Popular Post PigFish Posted September 3, 2014 Popular Post Posted September 3, 2014 Not wishing to dismiss anyone's tastes… This is ERdM… Even their artwork is appealing, and packaging means little or nothing to me… 7
SCgarman Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 Not wishing to dismiss anyone's tastes… This is ERdM… IMG_5814.JPG Even their artwork is appealing, and packaging means little or nothing to me… This may have been a significant marca "Back in the day", but not anymore IMO.
Smallclub Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 This may have been a significant marca "Back in the day", but not anymore IMO. And what can you bring to support this assertion? [not directed to you in particular] I'm getting a bit tired of all these statements about the homogenization and what ever… I started to hear these complaints when I was a broke teenager who smoked dutch MM cigars (plus a habanos on Sunday, "borrowed" from my father's humidor )
PigFish Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 This may have been a significant marca "Back in the day", but not anymore IMO. I think some of your points are valid, while I my tastes obviously are not aligned with yours. There are no brands! There is a nationalized cigar company owned by the Cuban government. They have decided that my tastes are no longer marketable… and with them the cigars and vitolas that I like(d). With that said, be glad you are on the side of the current trend and that you like the cigars currently offered. For me, while I love Cuban cigars, the catalogue is sadly lacking depth and interest. I am not an endless beta tester. I like what I like and I am not willing to pony up to buy inferior, new, dressed up cigars for more coin. Lastly, what is significant today may not be tomorrow. This is why I dislike deletions generally. Signifcant can be a double edged sword, and you may find that your tastes may be on the block tomorrow… We should therefore look at this trend of deletions, not additions and changes, as a common ground to protect the tastes and likes of all our fellow smokers. This issue has no sides… Just losers! Cheers! -Piggy 1
drockspang1 Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 ^^^Well said above, Pigfish^^^. I have some serious questions to those of you who've been around longer & have more insight and experience with CC's: Has this trend been seen before? Maybe not the smaller rg cigars being axed to make room for larger rg... But as a whole. Has there been periods in the past where Cubatabaco/HSA has either completely discontinued marcas, or largely reduced that marcas vitola range based off of what was 'hot' or 'trendy', only to reverse itself down the line? Or do they just stick with those decisions? Also, does anyone know what drives these decisions? Seriously... do the powers that be do any market research? Surveying/testing? What in the hell drives these 'market trends'? The 'bling buyer' or 'trendy cigar smoker'.., or whatever you want to call 'em, cannot make up the majority of CC cigar smokers worldwide, can they?(<-real question... Idk the answer) I understand the LE/RE incentive. It's marketing 101. Creat a false sense of exclusivity by fancy packaging & double bands, to increase profit margins. Makes sense. It appears that most(not all) of the LE releases are from well known marcas... Cohiba, Monte, RyJ, H Upmann, etc... Most of the RE releases seem to be from the more revered marcas by more experienced CC smokers... RA, Punch, Partagas, Boli, etc... If the RE program is influenced by regional distributors, as has been stated, then who is influencing the distributors? What impact has Altadis & subsequently Imperial Tabacco had in recent changes...if any? I find this topic interesting, and just really want to know. I have absolutely no idea why HSA does what it does? I've only been smoking CC's seriously since '11. I smoked them before that but basically went in on whatever my brother had in the pipeline.
Smallclub Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 I have some serious questions to those of you who've been around longer & have more insight and experience with CC's: Makes sense. It appears that most(not all) of the LE releases are from well known marcas... Cohiba, Monte, RyJ, H Upmann, etc... These questions have been debated here ad nauseam... As for the the RE, LE programs http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/releases.aspx#Edition_Limitada_Series http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/releases.aspx#Regional_Edition_Series 1
Lotusguy Posted September 3, 2014 Posted September 3, 2014 These are fuller bodied and very tasty. But sadly don't have anything in common with the regular ERDM profile
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