Mr Cholmondley Warner Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 Get a printers loupe....you can quickly see the difference between ropey mould and oil efflorescence 1
Mr Cholmondley Warner Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 Hmm I wonder if I can get enough sample and run it on the FT-IR at work? It'll give a basic composition and I can run it against the Sigma Aldrich library! 1
Ryan Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 … the retailer myth relation… BINGO! Bravo! Look I am not picking on retailers okay, but most the myth and folklore about cigars comes from a profit incentive. I have noting against anyone making a profit on just about anything. I do have a problem with overpriced bullshit and since the cigar industry is generally full of it, I have to pose the question just about anytime one of the etherial questions comes up. Pixie dust is as good an answer as anything… You know, I could probably bag a handsome profit by starting a website and advertising my 'stuff' as promoting 'plume' or other 'pixie' products. It just "ain't" right, no matter who is doing it. I don't know how they keep their lunches down. I have known my share of people who would gladly sell a neg-am loan to a first time home buyer… so it is not isolated to the cigar trade, I assure you! It just a part of the world we live in! BS is in no short supply, nor is there a shortage of those profiting from it… -Piggy I would maybe go a little easier on cigar shop staff regarding what they describe as "plume". I have known and know a few who really, "honest to God" believe that what they are looking at is plume when I'm looking at the same cigar and see mold. The idea of "plume" or "bloom" has been around a very long time. One retailer told me he heard the term 40 years ago, when he started. So generations of cigar shop staff have come and gone, being shown mold by whoever is training them and told it is "plume" and a good thing. Why should they look it up to see if it might be something different? They have better things to be doing for their shop-assistant salary. Not that I'm putting down a shop assistant's salary but I know it is usually not on the same level as detective or biologist. Well, some biologists. Shop owners and managers, of course, should know different. But again, somebody trained them. Sometimes.
Smallclub Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 The idea of "plume" or "bloom" has been around a very long time. I believe Zino Davidoff is partially responsible for this. In one of his books, he describes what he calls "fleur de cigare" but without being very specific (I remember terms like "de fines gouttelettes d'huiles se déposent sur la cape", this is quite vague and can be misread). 1
canadianbeaver Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 You are a very kind and understanding fellow, Ryan. That is why you are a great cigar friend. The owner of the store I referenced confirmed the "plume" pointed out by the salesperson helping me. It is no problem,I just passed once they disagreed. I forgot my cigar manners that day, which I learned the hard way. To just say nothing and move along. If I was to comment on everything, I would never enjoy this hobby.
... Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 I browsed the net quite a bit yesterday reading on the subject and I stumbled upon something interesting. On another forum, someone posted a picture showing fine fuzz white mold on a cigar. The small white fluff was evenly distributed on the wrapper. The poster later pulled out the stick from the humi to stand out on top of his humidor for a few days (as suggested by other forum members) in the hope that the mold would dry out. Lo and behold, the fine white fuzz disappeared almost completely (he hadn't wiped it yet) leaving a fine powdery film on the wrapper. This film looked so damn similar to 'confirmed' bloom... My mind is not made yet but I tend to think there might not be such a thing as plume. As long as there will be a lack of concrete and verified evidence on the subject, it might just be a proper working theory. Here are the pictures for reference and teaching purposes...
peanutpete Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 as Andy Ryan says he knows some one who has a shop with vintage cigars and never seem plume and if we are talking about the same people they also have a shop in london were i have also seen very many old boxes some with a little mold but never plume also been at Ajays many times were as any one who has been to his shop will know he likes to open the odd old box or two and never seen plume and the fact that Rob is asking for pictures of plume in another thread preety much sums it up for me
Maplepie Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 as Andy Ryan says he knows some one who has a shop with vintage cigars and never seem plume and if we are talking about the same people they also have a shop in london were i have also seen very many old boxes some with a little mold but never plume also been at Ajays many times were as any one who has been to his shop will know he likes to open the odd old box or two and never seen plume and the fact that Rob is asking for pictures of plume in another thread preety much sums it up for meNever one to stray from cynicism, Petey...But I will have to agree with the summary of all your points here... Sent by the Enigma on BlackBerry.
PigFish Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 Plume is kept in Humidor 51 somewhere in the Nevada desert! You will need clearance or a foil hat to enter!!!
Maplepie Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 Plume is kept in Humidor 51 somewhere in the Nevada desert! You will need clearance or a foil hat to enter!!! -PiggySent by the Enigma on BlackBerry.
Dozerhead Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 I am just stunned that we haven't seen any macro shots yet.
Diamondog Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 Plume is not difficult to come by...just because you can't clearly see it visibly doesnt mean it isnt there...i have photographed many cigars that it is apparent in the pictures and not so much by just looking with the eye...it is not some kind of status symbol IMO...It is a natural process and effect of cigars...why is it so hard to believe oils leave a residue on cigar wrappers at some point during the process of a cigar sitting in a box it isn't mythical nor rare...
Smallclub Posted July 31, 2014 Posted July 31, 2014 ...i have photographed many cigars that it is apparent in the pictures and not so much by just looking with the eye... Why don't you post them here then? And how do you explain that most veteran smokers have never seen it "for sure"?
AlohaStyle Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Plume is not difficult to come by...just because you can't clearly see it visibly doesnt mean it isnt there...i have photographed many cigars that it is apparent in the pictures and not so much by just looking with the eye...it is not some kind of status symbol IMO...It is a natural process and effect of cigars...why is it so hard to believe oils leave a residue on cigar wrappers at some point during the process of a cigar sitting in a box it isn't mythical nor rare... Here's the pictures you posted in the other thread. Sorry man, but you really think all that is plume?? You think those clumps of white stuff on the Boli Libertadores is plume? You think 2013 CoLa's would have plume? http://www.friendsofhabanos.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=119476&p=508341 1
Colt45 Posted August 1, 2014 Author Posted August 1, 2014 plumin', bloomin, is it somethin' human or is it something natural, oils gettin' fractural those little dusted beauties, some say that it's the greatest are they on to something, or is it master baitist what's the science, does it matter do cigars taste any better when resembling drying leather little crystals, chalky dust sign of flavor maybe neither sign of condition more likely so, no phd so i don't know maybe some day we'll figure them out the tiny little crystals which bring on such doubt the discussion may linger, there may be no limit i'll smoke plumed or not, enjoy every minute 2
mk05 Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 I am just stunned that we haven't seen any macro shots yet. They were provided in a link
Diamondog Posted August 1, 2014 Posted August 1, 2014 Here's the pictures you posted in the other thread. Sorry man, but you really think all that is plume?? You think those clumps of white stuff on the Boli Libertadores is plume? You think 2013 CoLa's would have plume? http://www.friendsofhabanos.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=119476&p=508341 Yes of course, thats why I posted them...i dont subscribe to the unicorn theory of plume lol...they are well taken care of in ideal conditions oh and there no clumps on the boli's that is layered over the wrapper, smoking now actually, beautiful....i think people put a little too much mystique in to plume lol
NJP Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 I get the Forrest nature of mold or bloom. I like Fuzz have a few HdM DC's that have a wax/white Fat looking thing going on that doesn't rise from the cigar, you cannot wipe it off and it is only specific to the HdM's in a box of mixed DC's. Is this anything to do with price of curiosity or just the fats doing their thing with age.
AlohaStyle Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 Yes of course, thats why I posted them...i dont subscribe to the unicorn theory of plume lol...they are well taken care of in ideal conditions oh and there no clumps on the boli's that is layered over the wrapper, smoking now actually, beautiful....i think people put a little too much mystique in to plume lol Okay fair enough. Maybe Rob will actually give his honest opinion since he's probably the only person you would believe on this forum.
Smallclub Posted August 2, 2014 Posted August 2, 2014 Here's the pictures you posted in the other thread. Sorry man, but you really think all that is plume?? You think those clumps of white stuff on the Boli Libertadores is plume? You think 2013 CoLa's would have plume? http://www.friendsofhabanos.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=119476&p=508341 Agreed!
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