laficion Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 In France, we have an Association that is called the DNF, ( Droits des Non -Fumeurs), which means, The Rights of Non Smokers. This non profitable Association has been on an inquisition type crusade against smokers in France for many years. They are the one's responsable for the anti smoking laws that have been passed in France such as , no smoking in Public places or in a work place, bars, Resturants, etc, etc They are fanatic about anything concerning tobacco OR even the image of tobacco products. They have brought to trial, webmasters, cigar clubs that have their own sites. Cigar Magazines in France, anything that shows a tobacco product or writes of a tobacco product is automaticlly under fire from the DNF. Recently a wonderful cigar magazine "Cigare & Sensation ", dedicated to the pleasure of tastes, was brought to court and after 2 years of witch hunting & fines plus bans, the magazine was brought to it's knees and forced to stop printing. All of this because , in the Mag, they described cigars after tasting events held by cigar clubs, (my club included). The DNF is financed by public subsidy granted by the government, in other words, by us. All of this would still be OK if the laws were the same for everyone, apparently not, Here are 2 Pics. that have appeared in nationwide newspapers and Magazines with, not even the slightest comment or action from these hypocrites. President Sarkozy smoking in a work place, his office. ( can't go and complain to the boss,now can we) Picture Taken by Paris-Match magazine. Picture taken by an anonymous tourist, of our ex- Minister of Justice, Rachida Dati, enjoying a cigar inside a store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy2 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 ******* Liberal Tree Huggers their the enemy to freedom of rights..Sorry to hear that Guy dirty politics as usual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anacostiakat Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 :...The DNF is financed by public subsidy granted by the government. ...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigarros Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 It's mean - policy of double standarts as always in all sides of policy (internatiional, domestic, smoking and antismoking, wars in Yugoslavia, Afganistan and Iraq). I hate politics - they 're like prostitutes which make better their job if they will pay more. If DNF is financed by goverment - never mind they will fulfil the money spent for them without noticing those who pays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImTripN2 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 The scariest thing to me is the groups/people who sponsor and stoop to such tactics do so without conscience as they firmly believe they know what is best for us. Where will it stop? Will they next put such restrictions on wine and liquor becuase of the small minority of alcoholics? I would rather have one put a gun to my head and demand money. At least their actions are unambigious, and the motive clear. Not like the forces at work today that would tell us how to live according to their agenda and do so without consience or compuction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 It sounds like "we know what's good for you" socialism, and it's world wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfoster Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 No different than when our california governator openly and freely admits to smoking cuban cigars in direct violation of the embargo. Oh, and he set up an outdoor smoking "lounge" at the capitol, yet he threw all his support behind the SCHIP (more tobacco taxes). "Politician" is just a synonym for "hypocrite" -- Gary F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahzeff Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 I realize that I may not hold the same view as many members of this forum, but I fail to see how this phenomenon can be attributed to only one political group. This is common to groups from all points of the political spectrum, whether its an environmental group from the left, or a conservative Christian group from the right. I'm not shocked when an interest uses money to influence a politician to support something publicly that they condone or engage in privately. Sadly, this happens in all political systems. I am astounded however when somebody screams about their Constitutional rights being usurped when it suits them or when their party is in the minority, and not when the tables are turned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfoster Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 I am not sure who you are directing that at, but I didn't fingerpoint at any political group. I said "policiticians". I mean all of them. "Honest politician" is a complete oxymoron. I can't stand any of 'em, whether they are on "my" side or not. -- Gary F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigarros Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 I am not sure who you are directing that at, but I didn't fingerpoint at any political group. I said "policiticians". I mean all of them. "Honest politician" is a complete oxymoron. I can't stand any of 'em, whether they are on "my" side or not.-- Gary F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anacostiakat Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 I am not sure who you are directing that at, but I didn't fingerpoint at any political group. I said "policiticians". I mean all of them. "Honest politician" is a complete oxymoron. I can't stand any of 'em, whether they are on "my" side or not.-- Gary F. I am with Gary on this! Politicians are for themselves. Who the hell don't know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MontrealRon Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 I am with Gary on this! Politicians are for themselves. Who the hell don't know that. Welcome all to the Anarchist Friends of Habanos. Left or right, capitalist or socialist, the purpose of any government is to preserve the wealth and power of the elite, and to maintain themselves in their position of authority. They will use any and all means to this end. A plague on all their houses, say I! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenpimp Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Screw the politics, I want some justice from Rachida. Ooof! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 I realize that I may not hold the same view as many members of this forum, but I fail to see how this phenomenon can be attributed to only one political group. This is common to groups from all points of the political spectrum, whether its an environmental group from the left, or a conservative Christian group from the right. I'm not shocked when an interest uses money to influence a politician to support something publicly that they condone or engage in privately. Sadly, this happens in all political systems. I am astounded however when somebody screams about their Constitutional rights being usurped when it suits them or when their party is in the minority, and not when the tables are turned. I am not going to start a political partisanship campaign here but not all political movements are alike. I agree that government is the antithesis of freedom but anarchy leads to further tyranny (unfortunately). The predominant movement to ban smoking is a ruse. Just follow the money I always say! The people on the ground are fodder for the largely leftist, progressive groups looking for greater means of revenue. Instead of a fair taxation strata where all citizens would be taxed equally the progressive looks to gain revenue from all sorts and sources and uses the word 'fair' to redistribute that wealth. In the States the tobacco settlement has proven to be what I have always professed it to be... a money grab skirting the Constitution in that it was levied by the Judicial branch of the government. It was and is simply a judicial way to tap a companies profit for that of the common tax fund and special interest funding. If you want to follow corruption follow the money. Not every time but in most instances that trail will lead to progressive and leftist organizations and the politicians that support the growth of government. On the partisan front I too think you can point to any party and find scum. However I would urge any and all not to confuse parties with political ideology, they are different. I would never say that people no mater the ideology are free of corruption because people have been made by the creator as imperfect beings. Regardless of ideology we are all sinners. What I will say is there are ideologies that are inherently more or less corrupt, more or less damaging to individual sovereignty. Those that believe in individual rights over government and the sovereignty of the individual are as a whole better people to have as friends, leaders and politicians. (MHO) Ask yourself which club would you prefer your child to join. The Boy Scouts or the Hitler Youth? Which son would likely turn his father and mother in for crimes against the State? Cheers. -Piggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finecigar Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 No different than when our california governator openly and freely admits to smoking cuban cigars in direct violation of the embargo.Oh, and he set up an outdoor smoking "lounge" at the capitol, yet he threw all his support behind the SCHIP (more tobacco taxes). "Politician" is just a synonym for "hypocrite" -- Gary F. Good work! I am on your side on this issue. That last line you said needs a If anyone should be deciding on tobacco taxes it should be this man pulling in the , not these impostors! -Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesuscookies Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Really a sad state of affairs. If things keep going as they are today, I am willing to bet tobacco use will be illegal in 50 years. This, all be under the guise of "keeping people safe". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicko Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Really a sad state of affairs. If things keep going as they are today, I am willing to bet tobacco use will be illegal in 50 years. This, all be under the guise of "keeping people safe". nah the pollies won't get their tax then. one hand in our pockets, the other on their d***s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laficion Posted January 17, 2010 Author Share Posted January 17, 2010 Screw the politics, I want some justice from Rachida. Ooof! Hey greenpimp, Since you liked that Photo, here's another that does her JUSTICE Plus She enjoys smoking cigars . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigaraholic Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Will trade you 3 Eric Holder's for 1 Rachida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samb Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Maybe the Govenator thinks that supporting SCHIP cancels out his own smoking of cigars? He'll smoke admittedly smoke a fine habano, but when it comes time to get the support he (needs?) from the voters, what does he have to show? Certainly the people wont support a smoker, right? So maybe he thinks that supporting SCHIP will make the people forget that he himself is a cigar smoker? Just like Obama implementing SCHIP, when he himself smokes cigarettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubanface Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Almost all politicians are hypocrites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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