Those wacky Commiefornians

[El Presidente]

California Bill Would Eventually Ban Tobacco Entirely

Phased tobacco ban, if passed, would make it illegal for anyone born after January 1, 2007 from ever purchasing any form of tobacco product in California

 

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[MrBirdman]

The bill has already achieved its primary purpose - getting its sponsor’s name in the news. 

Long term of course tobacco laws are only going to get more restrictive. So in a few years we could see bills like this getting serious attention.

It would create a huge black market for tobacco since I can’t imagine they’d criminalize possession. 

[Ardan]

In the meantime perfectly legal to get the other type of leaf...

[Corylax18]

14 minutes ago, Ardan said:

In the meantime perfectly legal to get the other type of leaf...

Yet the black market continues to Flourish due to the insane tax rates. Just like it will for tobacco. What's the definition of insanity? 

[Ardan]

Waiting for NY to pass something similar.  I already order online because of the insane taxes.  They will not take my humidor!!

[Michael303]

47 minutes ago, Corylax18 said:

Yet the black market continues to Flourish due to the insane tax rates. Just like it will for tobacco. What's the definition of insanity? 

Tax rates keep me out of the local b&ms. Just not worth a 45 min drive to pay 25-35% extra. 

[SCgarman]

Nothing that happens in the People's Republik of Kalifornia surprises me one bit. I say let them become their own independent country. I'll stay here in South Carolina where gasoline cars, cigars, barbecue grills and normal folk are not forbidden. 😆

[Cairo]

6 hours ago, MrBirdman said:

I can’t imagine they’d criminalize possession.

You need to get one of my black market paranoid pills.

Future legislators will never let you down!

[alephilmac]

The legal wrangling this will/would take regarding interstate travel and within California itself would be quite fun to see!

[djrey]

10 hours ago, SCgarman said:

Nothing that happens in the People's Republik of Kalifornia surprises me one bit. I say let them become their own independent country. I'll stay here in South Carolina where gasoline cars, cigars, barbecue grills and normal folk are not forbidden. 😆

Problem is its spreading like wildfire throughout the country. No state is safe. 

[Arabian]

11 hours ago, SCgarman said:

Nothing that happens in the People's Republik of Kalifornia surprises me one bit. I say let them become their own independent country. I'll stay here in South Carolina where gasoline cars, cigars, barbecue grills and normal folk are not forbidden. 😆

speaking of gasoline cars

EU lawmakers approve effective 2035 ban on new fossil fuel cars

 

[Corylax18]

2 hours ago, djrey said:

Problem is its spreading like wildfire throughout the country. No state is safe. 

The same Ass holes that F#&ked up California get sick of it, then spread like cancer through the rest of the country. Its happening, Badly, in Colorado right now. We've been drastically going the wrong way for 5 to 7 years now. When I was in middle School, my 6 and 10 year old brothers and I would take the train to downtown to catch Rockies games, just the three of us, unsupervised. I feel less comfortable now, as a grown adult, spending time down there. 

The scariest part is, the worse it all seems to work, the harder people seem to push for it. 

[Cigar Surgeon]

What's funny is we just discussed this on the Cigar Media 2022 recap show a few weeks back.  I think legislation like this was inevitable after the Tobacco 21 went through. This is how tobacco prohibition works, not all at once but incrementally. 

[djrey]

2 minutes ago, Cigar Surgeon said:

This is how tobacco prohibition works, not all at once but incrementally. 

Not just tobacco. This is how every human right is whittled away. It starts slowly, banning this and banning that. Find common ground that the majority can agree on in the beginning thus overpowering the smaller groups, before you know it, it's all gone. We've seen this with freedom of speech. Gun control. The push for total EV domination/banning of gasoline vehicles (or even lawnmowers in CA). Medical rights with forced Covid vaccinations/ travel restrictions. The list goes on and on. 

This is why it is usually in everyone's best interest to stand up for the freedoms in areas that you may not totally agree with/ have any skin in. They may be at your neighbor's house today, but tomorrow it's your door they'll be at. Now to bring it back to tobacco... I don't smoke cigarettes and quite honestly think it's a stupid habit. However, I will always support ones right to do it and assist in the fight against anti cigarette legislation. Because anyone with a brain knows where they are going after they take cigarettes. 

 

[Michael303]

12 hours ago, Corylax18 said:

The scariest part is, the worse it all seems to work, the harder people seem to push for it. 

It's like the Twilight Zone. It's so weird that people can't seem see when they're reaping what they've sown.

[ha_banos]

I have a local micro pub here where the council have allowed them to have tables out front on the sidewalk. But the stipulation from the council is they are non smoking tables. Creep. Creep.

[aulrone]

This has been going on a while. The problem is more or less the decay of culture and the family unit. As parents become more selfish of their time and stop passing down their history and culture to their children, the more open minded children are to radical ideas like, “only evil rich corporatists smoke cigars” and “tobacco will give you lung cancer but weed is hip.”

 

These ideas are in large part influenced by the media and entertainment and Hollywood, which mostly reside in CA. This may come as a surprise but lots of Californians are often highly creative and intelligent, as most actors and tech have come from there. However, therein lies an issue as intelligence does not beget wisdom and instead breeds arrogance and self love. As you can see, it creates a spiral into hell led by selfish narcissists. 

Mourn and smoke a stogie to our fallen former compadres. Let’s hope they don’t reach us.

[MrBirdman]

Fight the power! Adopt rolling coal - that’ll show those damn commie bastards in the govern-mint and the media!!!

[SigmundChurchill]

The movie Demolition Man was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual.

[BrightonCorgi]

Government will progress to tobacco confiscation.  This is something that makes sense to government and those who relish a secular society.  Confiscation of tobacco is for everyone's health and safety. 

Between home devices like Alexa & AI; the government can easily find out who are tobacco users are and make targeted raids. 

Unfortunately, this is the direction we are headed.  We've sight the might government can wield from Covid and tobacco use is just as bigger a scorn on the world.

[MrBirdman]

11 minutes ago, BrightonCorgi said:

Government will progress to tobacco confiscation.

If they haven’t started doing it in Australia or anywhere else I think we’ll be ok for at least a couple decades in the states. You can dig up those vacuum sealed boxes buried in your back yard 😜 

[stunod]

Let me get this straight, they want to ban cigars "FOR LIFE" for anyone born after 2007, but you can smoke weed legally anywhere you want.  

I was just at a concert at Madison Square Garden and I could smell pot everywhere.  No problem, but imagine if I was smoking a cigar.  They would hunt me down and probably arrest me. 

[ha_banos]

7 minutes ago, stunod said:

Let me get this straight, they want to ban cigars "FOR LIFE" for anyone born after 2007, but you can smoke weed legally anywhere you want.  

I was just at a concert at Madison Square Garden and I could smell pot everywhere.  No problem, but imagine if I was smoking a cigar.  They would hunt me down and probably arrest me. 

You've got seen demolition man? They would hunt you and kill you!

[BrightonCorgi]

53 minutes ago, MrBirdman said:

If they haven’t started doing it in Australia or anywhere else I think we’ll be ok for at least a couple decades in the states. You can dig up those vacuum sealed boxes buried in your back yard 😜 

There's no "right" to own or use tobacco, so confiscation is totally plausible.  Did you think 10 years ago that men can give birth?  There is no such thing as male and female?  Why would tobacco confiscation be so far fetched or unlikely? 

Tobacco ownership fines/seizures are the next steps if there are no taxes coming in due to banning tobacco sales, importation, or cultivation.

[Bijan]

6 hours ago, BrightonCorgi said:

There's no "right" to own or use tobacco, so confiscation is totally plausible.  Did you think 10 years ago that men can give birth?  There is no such thing as male and female?  Why would tobacco confiscation be so far fetched or unlikely? 

Tobacco ownership fines/seizures are the next steps if there are no taxes coming in due to banning tobacco sales, importation, or cultivation.

Because as he said or implied Australia/Canada/New Zealand are 2-3 decades ahead of the US in terms of banning tobacco and that's not on any of their radars.

Also no such government has started confiscating heroin or cocaine (by eavesdropping on everyone with a smart speaker), so that's another bridge to cross. And possession of those two is criminal already.