Ukraine

[helix]

Russian tourists in the Carribeen and elsewhere must be feeling shame . Most likely getting the big stink eye on the resorts.  Once back home they can tell their famillies and friends the truth about this atrocity , this lie .  Putin the world terrorist . 

[Kaptain Karl]

6 hours ago, Corylax18 said:

Have you watched anything other than Russian propaganda recently?

I literally spit some of my coffee out when I read "US cannot beat Russia in a conventional war as it is." Thank you for the belly laugh to start my day!

The United States has enough air and naval forces, in theatre, the wipe the Russian military off the face of the planet. Their technology is Decades behind ours and we just spent the last 20 years practicing, all over the middle east. Not to mention the devastating cyber war we would engage in. 

They're struggling against the Ukrainians for gods sake!! A military far smaller and worse equipped than the Russian army. The only way Russia "wins" any war against NATO is by killing us all. 

I can tell you, the Appetite is growing. Quickly. Many of our more "hawkish" military and political figure have taken their lumps over the last few years and rightfully so. But it turns out, maybe they where right about a lot of this. 

 

Why would Putin waste his time negotiating with "Nazi Drug Addicts"? That massive capitulation would be a tough sell to his citizens at this point.

Sounds like a distraction now that their ground forces have been all but halted. Running out of fuel, ammunition and will as we speak. 

Have you seen Zelenskyy's Videos from Kyiv over the last 12 hours? He's pretty much taunting Putin at this point. 

100% agree! It’s shocking to see the ineptitude of the Russian forces so far. And the further they move away from their bases the worse their logistical problems become. I could see Russia entering a disastrous situation in the next few days if Ukrainian resistance continues its epic defense and continues to bleed the Russian forces dry. 

[El Presidente]

6 minutes ago, Kaptain Karl said:

100% agree! It’s shocking to see the ineptitude of the Russian forces so far. 

"Super Power" military ineptitude has been on full display over the past year.  

as per the quote

“The amateurs discuss tactics: the professionals discuss logistics.”

Logistics is the week link time after time. 

 

[riderpride]

Just thinking. 

Were there any signs Putin's hold on power was weakening? Using this invasion to try to increase morale and national pride? 

Sochi was a few years back, he hasn't been wrestling any more tigers recently, and the conspiracy theory that Smirnoff forced a Putin double on United Artists as the latest James Bond to honor his KGB service is 15 years old. There doesn't seem to be much support from the Russian army or citizens, so was his popularity tanking that he felt he needed to do this?

Cheers

[Chas.Alpha]

For hundreds of years, the biggest problem with invasion has always been the supply chain keeping up with the advance. Apparently, some of us didn’t read those books. 🇺🇦

[BEVOSREVENGE]

Live link to Kyiv, for those interested.  

 

 

 

 

 

[MrBirdman]

1 hour ago, helix said:

Russian tourists in the Carribeen and elsewhere must be feeling shame . Most likely getting the big stink eye on the resorts.  Once back home they can tell their famillies and friends the truth about this atrocity , this lie .  Putin the world terrorist . 

They should have plenty of time to think about it on their flight home - if they can find one at this point. Russian airlines are getting shut out of more airspace by the hour. If they’re in the Caribbean I guess their best bet will be flying through Dubai. 

[BEVOSREVENGE]

 

 

 

 

 

[MrBirdman]

3 hours ago, El Presidente said:

"Super Power" military ineptitude has been on full display over the past year.  

as per the quote

“The amateurs discuss tactics: the professionals discuss logistics.”

Logistics is the week link time after time. 

 

While this is unquestionably true - Napoleon's genius was mostly in getting his soldiers to the right place at the right time - there must be more going on here. Russia had ample time to build up resources in its staging areas, and its supply lines are not that long at the moment. The resistance must be of a greater magnitude and sophistication than they anticipated, and I'm not just referring to the stunning resolve of the Ukrainian people.

The Ukrainians apparently had more advanced weaponry in the country than the Russians counted on - Western anti-tank weapons and surface-to-air missiles - and they clearly know how to use them. I suspect the Russian army expected to have clear air superiority at this point over the entire country, and that failure has complicated logistical efforts.

I also highly doubt Putin expected that the west would respond with such a massive influx of advanced lethal weaponry. He was expecting the "5,000 helmet Germans" to show up, not the "Javelin Germans." Javelin's are incredibly dangerous to armor - properly situated a small battery operated by a few people can take out a half-dozen tanks without even revealing their position. The Ukrainians are fighting with better infantry anti-tank weapons than the Russians at this point. 

[NSXCIGAR]

"Selected Russian banks" out of SWIFT...talk about pointless.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/26/politics/biden-ukraine-russia-swift/index.html

[El Presidente]

10 minutes ago, NSXCIGAR said:

"Selected Russian banks" out of SWIFT...talk about pointless.

 

hopefully, "a raise" in this awful game of poker. 

Leaving "room in the tank". 

Aiming for?   24 hr suspension in hostilities. 

You always need options.  It is sickening I know. 

[Chas.Alpha]

Veni Vidi Vici- Roman war anthem

Damn the Torpedoes- British war anthem

Go F**** Yourselves- Ukrainian war anthem

🇺🇦

[BEVOSREVENGE]

Evidently Putin has attracted the ire of the world’s hackers.  Guy on another thread I monitor said chat activity is usually 20 to 30 people.  Activity now is over 20k hackers on just one dark web site.

 

 

 

[NSXCIGAR]

1 hour ago, El Presidente said:

hopefully, "a raise" in this awful game of poker. 

Leaving "room in the tank". 

Aiming for?   24 hr suspension in hostilities. 

You always need options.  It is sickening I know. 

That's the theory I guess. I just think this one is pure political cover. The Europeans don't want Russia out of SWIFT so they do it nominally but not really. You kind of need to include all Russian banks...but now Biden can say he did it.

I say if you're going to sanction at all, throw the whole nine yards at them. Sanctions can be undone. Sanctions are generally ineffective as it is. Shoot the wad and hope for the best. At this rate the sanctions will still be increasing when the Russian flag is flying over the Verkhovna Rada.

 

17 minutes ago, BEVOSREVENGE said:

Evidently Putin has attracted the ire of the world’s hackers.  Guy on another thread I monitor said chat activity is usually 20 to 30 people.  Activity now is over 20k hackers on just one dark web site.

I think it would have been worthwhile for the US to have sent Ukraine tools to be able to stage the most brutal cyber attacks possible. Maintain proprietary control and train them to use it. I mean, the US government has to have access to the most advanced cyber warfare tools available right? I find it hard to believe private hackers could ever have the power of a major government. More talent, perhaps, but I would think resources are just as important. 

If you're going to give Ukraine conventional weapons you might as well give them cyber weapons. 

[BEVOSREVENGE]

40 minutes ago, NSXCIGAR said:

I think it would have been worthwhile for the US to have sent Ukraine tools to be able to stage the most brutal cyber attacks possible. Maintain proprietary control and train them to use it. I mean, the US government has to have access to the most advanced cyber warfare tools available right? I find it hard to believe private hackers could ever have the power of a major government. More talent, perhaps, but I would think resources are just as important. 

If you're going to give Ukraine conventional weapons you might as well give them cyber weapons. 

The true level of the west's involvement is most likely unknown at this point.  Additionally, I'm not sure it is in Ukraine's best interest for all levels of involvement to made public at this point.  Clearly, the world has rallied behind Ukraine but for direct military involvement in the air or on the ground.  Direct, in theater, humiliation of Putin is likely not in the world's best interest.

[Chas.Alpha]

56 minutes ago, BEVOSREVENGE said:

Direct, in theater, humiliation of Putin is likely not in the world's best interest.

I don’t know. Maybe it is?...

[BEVOSREVENGE]

4 minutes ago, Chas.Alpha said:

I don’t know. Maybe it is?...

If the consensus is that most of the Russian people want to be a part of a modern, global world economy and not suffer long term sanctions that hurt them and not him, maybe the answer is yes.  

I do think an event like this helps a lot with remembering how much we all have in common, which all too often gets obscured by a lot of the nonsense that we quibble over most of the time.

 

[Chas.Alpha]

🇺🇦

[NSXCIGAR]

3 hours ago, BEVOSREVENGE said:

The true level of the west's involvement is most likely unknown at this point.  Additionally, I'm not sure it is in Ukraine's best interest for all levels of involvement to made public at this point.  Clearly, the world has rallied behind Ukraine but for direct military involvement in the air or on the ground.  Direct, in theater, humiliation of Putin is likely not in the world's best interest.

I agree, and that's exactly the kind of thing that the west could give behind the scenes. Far less obvious than conventional weapons. Obviously they weren't given those tools or they would be using them by now. 

[BEVOSREVENGE]

 

[helix]

Putin has embarrassed himself , now unreasable and more dangerous than ever. He will need to be taken out by the Russian Generals . 

[BEVOSREVENGE]

 

 

 

 

22 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

I agree, and that's exactly the kind of thing that the west could give behind the scenes. Far less obvious than conventional weapons. Obviously they weren't given those tools or they would be using them by now. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ken Gargett]

1 minute ago, BEVOSREVENGE said:

 

i did see the appalling decision that russia be allowed to continue qualification for the world cup. shame on the organisation allowing that. love to see every other nation simply announce that if russia not excluded then they will withdraw. 

[Fuzz]

I finally heard from my Ukrainian friend. She managed to get out of Dnipro, but couldn't convince her elderly parents to leave. She's now in Bucharest, after spending 2 freezing nights stuck at the border. Romanians at the border were handing out some supplies and free SIM cards.

[BEVOSREVENGE]