BEVOSREVENGE Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 Since there is global membership here, just curious of other's view on the mess that is now Ukraine. Especially would like to know the opinions of those residing in Europe. In a world where Covid has made many insane, you just got to wonder what is next. When is sanity restored? Per the rules please don't bring US politics into the discussion. Mods if this subject is out of bounds, I don't have a problem with you nuking it. However, it seems like a worthy topic of discussion given current events.
El Presidente Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 It's a global issue so I don't have a problem as long as we keep personalities/leaders out of it. Focus on resolutions and not entities. 3
Popular Post El Presidente Posted February 22, 2022 Popular Post Posted February 22, 2022 The appeasers have been at it the last month. It was a sorry sight. Ukrainian PM was correct in saying sanctions should have been implemented weeks ago. They can certainly shut Russia out from the international financial system if they have the will (current sanctions won't do it). Freeze overseas assets etc. The test will be if the average punter in the west is prepared to pay higher energy prices in order to foster anothers freedom. Not sure about that one. 5
Popular Post Cigar Surgeon Posted February 22, 2022 Popular Post Posted February 22, 2022 Today's interesting fact: Outside of Russia and Ukraine, the largest population of Ukranians in the world are in Canada. 10
Corylax18 Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, El Presidente said: Ukrainian PM was correct in saying sanctions should have been implemented weeks ago. Try years ago. How quickly we forget the carpet bombing in Chechnya, days after he took office. Georgia in 2008. Then a real whopper in 2014, when he invaded Crimea and got away with it. He saw Angela walk out the door and thought he could get another chunk for free. He got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and now its a game of chicken. Sanctions are going to be as successful here as they have been in Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, et al. I really enjoyed this from the US embassy in Kyiv, after he tried to tell the world the Ukraine didnt actually exist. A bit childish, sure, but comical none the less. 3
riderpride Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 57 minutes ago, Cigar Surgeon said: Today's interesting fact: Outside of Russia and Ukraine, the largest population of Ukranians in the world are in Canada. Heck yeah, a lot of 'chucks, 'ows, and 'skis out here. So many that Edmonton was nicknamed 'the Chuck' (short for Edmontonchuck) lol My brother-in-law was posted in Kyiv last year from Sept-Dec with Immigration Canada. To say he was busy would be an understatement. Cheers! 2
Popular Post El Presidente Posted February 22, 2022 Popular Post Posted February 22, 2022 20 minutes ago, Corylax18 said: Sanctions are going to be as successful here as they have been in Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, et al. Remove access to the SWIFT for starters. Next, travel bans. In terms of wealth, industry and populace demographic, the difference between the countries listed and Russia is immense He may have overwhelming support from the Russian populace on this one but ongoing targetted sanctions may indeed turn the tide of support. Russians can get very angry. * * It should be noted that Rob Ayala has no idea on this subject. His entire knowledge of Russians is based on watching John Wick and RocknRolla. 3 1 2
GoodStix Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 Add to that cutting Russian industry (energy, mining, etc.) off from all chips based on US tech. If real and serious measures aren't imposed, history tells us things worsen. And Taiwan is watching. * It should be noted that I've only learned at the Rob Ayala Institute of Russian Studies 😜 1 1
Popular Post Fuzz Posted February 22, 2022 Popular Post Posted February 22, 2022 25 minutes ago, Corylax18 said: Try years ago. How quickly we forget the carpet bombing in Chechnya, days after he took office. Georgia in 2008. Then a real whopper in 2014, when he invaded Crimea and got away with it. He saw Angela walk out the door and thought he could get another chunk for free. He got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and now its a game of chicken. Sanctions are going to be as successful here as they have been in Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, et al. I really enjoyed this from the US embassy in Kyiv, after he tried to tell the world the Ukraine didnt actually exist. A bit childish, sure, but comical none the less. The Ukraine twitter account has some good memes 2 4
Corylax18 Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 OK. But we're really only looking at one side of the equation here. Can Europe (Germany) cut its Natural Gas usage by 1/3rd, over night? Can we just completely remove all of the iron ore, platinum, cobalt, etc. that they produce every year? Putin's got the world by the nuts right now, and he knows it. 1
El Presidente Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 Given they are rolling back timelines and boundaries. The following warning should be sent. 1 2
Popular Post Fuzz Posted February 22, 2022 Popular Post Posted February 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, GoodStix said: Add to that cutting Russian industry (energy, mining, etc.) off from all chips based on US tech. I don't see how denying Russia access to Pringles is going to work, but it's worth a shot. 1 6
riderpride Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Corylax18 said: OK. But we're really only looking at one side of the equation here. Can Europe (Germany) cut its Natural Gas usage by 1/3rd, over night? Can we just completely remove all of the iron ore, platinum, cobalt, etc. that they produce every year? Putin's got the world by the nuts right now, and he knows it. Too bad Uniper walked away from the LNG import terminal a couple years ago.
Chas.Alpha Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 Here is what I see playing out: Russia invades Ukraine. Waits for the NATO response. China, not seeing any meaningful penalty invades Taiwan. The US, not to be outdone, amasses troops in Miami... 2
El Presidente Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Chas.Alpha said: Here is what I see playing out: Russia invades Ukraine. Waits for the NATO response. China, not seeing any meaningful penalty invades Taiwan. The US, not to be outdone, amasses troops in Miami... New Zealand are also nervous. We just need to allow enough time between public holidays here 1 3
99call Posted February 22, 2022 Posted February 22, 2022 Londongrad is a toxic cesspit of corruption. 3 non entity Oligarchs have been sanctioned by the UK Government along with 5 banks. Experts on Russia have stated this will have little to no affect on pain on Putin. UK Government loving the current situation as it's allowing them to stay in power, whilst the Sue Gray and Met police investigations churn over in the background. Devastating sanctions need to come from the UK, but the truth is there are too many in the current government on the take from the Russians. and don't want to bite the hand that feeds them Good to see Germany state that they are going to move away from any plans to use Russian fuel. France seem to be floundering. Like Churchill said "you can't reason with a Tiger, whilst your head is in it's mouth" Putin seems to be emboldened by a lack of grit in the West, like the concept of a ground war in a 1st world country in 2022 is just too backward. or unthinkably old school. Got to kill it in the crib. Ode to have a united Europe.......that would be a good idea wouldn't it 2 1
Islandboy Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 Speaking of conquests, did I ever tell you about how Hawaii was almost colonized by the Russians? https://www.rbth.com/arts/history/2017/03/21/how-hawaii-almost-became-russian_723723
Fuzz Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, El Presidente said: New Zealand are also nervous. We just need to allow enough time between public holidays here They should be! We've been waiting decades for payback after they invaded Bondi all those years ago.
Trapper99 Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 This tweet says it all about Russia thinks about the sanctions Quote German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has issued an order to halt the process of certifying the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. Well. Welcome to the brave new world where Europeans are very soon going to pay €2.000 for 1.000 cubic meters of natural gas! That was from Dmitry Medvedev, former PM and current Deputy Security Counsel of Russia. If full scale war breaks out in Ukraine, I'm sure the pipes thru Ukraine are going to get destroyed, so that will even further limit the supply the Europe. At the same time, the policy of appeasement towards Putin has only embolden him (who could have imagined that). Putin knows the west will always choose politics over principles, and once he had Europe by the balls energy wise, the events of today are too late to stop. My solution (probably wrong😏) - France has moved to add more nuclear plants, and Germany needs to do the same. At the same time, oil producing nations need to increase production instead of cutting production. Higher energy prices benefit Putin as it's 60% of their GDP. That's the long term solution is Europe needs to ween dependence of Russian oil. As for the Ukrainians now...give em hell...and make the invaders bleed for every cm of Ukrainian soil. They are outgunned, outmanned, and outmaneuvered. Russia may roll through fast, but the resulting insurgency will unfortunately cause 10s of thousands of deaths. But I know the Ukrainian people, and I don't believe they will stand for an occupation. Putin has to know this, so I think he is going to keep up the political and economic pressure with the threat of full scale invasion. I think he will give notice to Ukraine to withdraw their army from the Donbas region, which Putin says is independent but Ukraine still occupies roughly 70%, under the threat of full invasion. If Ukraine doesn't cede this area, Putin could use that as his justification to roll. But idk, I don't think like a tyrant madman that Putin is, and watching his speech yesterday he obviously thinks Ukraine should not exist. 1
Popular Post tjkoala Posted February 23, 2022 Popular Post Posted February 23, 2022 I don't think people realize that cutting them off from Adidas track suits is going to severely damage their lifestyle and culture. 5 4
Chas.Alpha Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 53 minutes ago, El Presidente said: New Zealand are also nervous. We just need to allow enough time between public holidays here You got some new submarines... 🤔
El Presidente Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Chas.Alpha said: You got some new submarines... 🤔 Just in time too. Our last ones wouldn't have made it across the ditch. 1 1
Fuzz Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, Chas.Alpha said: You got some new submarines... 🤔 Correction: We got some nifty new drawings of submarines. 1 1
El Presidente Posted February 23, 2022 Posted February 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Fuzz said: Correction: We got some nifty new drawings of submarines. nice one Fuzz. Our military prowess can be summed up as
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