NSXCIGAR Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 On 3/3/2021 at 7:42 AM, Bijan said: Yes makes sense to use genuine band d esplendidos if done in period. But band d esplendidos must be expensive today. Expand Well, any counterfeiter should have them. I just think it's certainly easier to find some band Ds than to make them yourself. I guess they're not absolutely everywhere anymore but I suppose if this box was assembled in the last few years band D has been getting more scarce. On the other hand, if this was put together recently the value of this box would surely have been a factor. This is a big money box. I just have a hard time believing the weakest link here is a common, relatively easy to obtain band.
Bijan Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 Found an auction of an ARA NOV 02 box from last year with 4 dots on Esplendidos robustos and pyramids I believe. Edit: not the pyramids Edit 2: maybe the pyramids hard to tell on phone
El Presidente Posted March 3, 2021 Author Posted March 3, 2021 On 3/3/2021 at 7:35 AM, Bijan said: But these are possibly replacement fakes. So not from 2003. Box is from 2003. Cigars sold or smoked and then replaced later. Expand actually, box was purchased in September 2003. 1
El Presidente Posted March 3, 2021 Author Posted March 3, 2021 On 3/3/2021 at 8:04 AM, Bijan said: Found an auction of an ARA NOV 02 box from last year with 4 dots on Esplendidos robustos and pyramids I believe. Edit: not the pyramids Expand Nice work. Post a link if you can.
Bijan Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 On 3/3/2021 at 8:07 AM, El Presidente said: Nice work. Post a link if you can. Expand https://www.onlinecigarauctions.com/sold_lot_info.php?products_id=8484 Also found a listing for ARA DIC 02 box from 2018 but no picture. 1
NSXCIGAR Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 On 3/3/2021 at 8:06 AM, El Presidente said: actually, box was purchased in September 2003. Expand If that's the case that lends credibility to the bands being genuine. If a few more pics of 4 rows turn up I'm starting to lean towards printing error... 2
Bijan Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 Still combing, but from that site: ARA NOV 02 3 dots: https://www.onlinecigarauctions.com/sold_lot_info.php?products_id=9076 ARA DIC 02 4 dots: https://www.onlinecigarauctions.com/sold_lot_info.php?products_id=7862 Done looking through that lot. 3 box codes OSU, ARA, EAR. OSU box code always 3 dots. ARA often 4 dots, including this mixed 3-4 dot lot: https://www.onlinecigarauctions.com/sold_lot_info.php?products_id=4802 https://www.onlinecigarauctions.com/sold_lot_info.php?products_id=4306 https://www.onlinecigarauctions.com/sold_lot_info.php?products_id=4307 https://www.onlinecigarauctions.com/sold_lot_info.php?products_id=4538 https://www.onlinecigarauctions.com/sold_lot_info.php?products_id=7862 https://www.onlinecigarauctions.com/sold_lot_info.php?products_id=8484 EAR one lot 4 dots NOV 02: https://www.onlinecigarauctions.com/sold_lot_info.php?products_id=3305 1
El Presidente Posted March 3, 2021 Author Posted March 3, 2021 Well done gents Go to bed good days sleuthing ! 1
99call Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 On 3/3/2021 at 9:08 AM, El Presidente said: Well done gents Go to bed good days sleuthing ! Expand Sadly, I think on the topic of suspect cigars on the market, there is always going to be "just one more thing!?" Would be interesting to work out if there are more episodes of Columbo made, or fake cigars on the market. Unbelievably, my money is on the latter
Puros Y Vino Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 Interesting. Years ago you sent this box to me. Three dots on all vitolas. 3
El Presidente Posted March 3, 2021 Author Posted March 3, 2021 On 3/3/2021 at 3:20 PM, bundwallah said: Interesting. Years ago you sent this box to me. Three dots on all vitolas. Expand Frank, would you have the box code written somewhere?
Puros Y Vino Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 On 3/3/2021 at 6:29 PM, El Presidente said: Frank, would you have the box code written somewhere? Expand ARA MAR 03
El Presidente Posted March 3, 2021 Author Posted March 3, 2021 On 3/3/2021 at 6:31 PM, bundwallah said: ARA MAR 03 Expand ?
avaldes Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 Sadly I only have two soldiers left. But they, along with the rest of the box had 3 dots above the logo. 2 2
Bijan Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 On a related note I have found two boxes of Cohiba Double Corona EAR ABR 03 online with two rows of dots with band D. All later box codes have 3 rows. 1
99call Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 I'll admit to being very poorly educated on Cohiba, (as I have little interest in the marca), but what was the conclusion on this thread? were the four spots fakes?, or just a run of misprints? @Bijan @El Presidente @NSXCIGAR @ATGroom
Bijan Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 From the FOH forum, someone smoking a 4 dot pyramid in 2012: On 3/3/2021 at 8:09 PM, 99call said: I'll admit to being very poorly educated on Cohiba, (as I have little interest in the marca), but what was the conclusion on this thread? were the four spots fakes?, or just a run of misprints? @Bijan @El Presidente @NSXCIGAR @ATGroom Expand These were the first Cohibas to come out with this new band, so it could be a misprint. On the other hand no confirmation from a member with a full box with 4 dots yet.
El Presidente Posted March 3, 2021 Author Posted March 3, 2021 On 3/3/2021 at 8:09 PM, 99call said: I'll admit to being very poorly educated on Cohiba, (as I have little interest in the marca), but what was the conclusion on this thread? were the four spots fakes?, or just a run of misprints? @Bijan @El Presidente @NSXCIGAR @ATGroom Expand Too early mate. We need to see one or more ARA DIC 02 codes and know the originating vendor. or....4 dot examples sourced from gold standard vendors
99call Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 On 3/3/2021 at 8:18 PM, El Presidente said: Too early mate. We need to see one or more ARA DIC 02 codes and know the originating vendor. or....4 dot examples sourced from gold standard vendors Expand talk about a 'rock and a hard place" Trapped between HSA poor quality control, and shape-shifting fakers. Jesus! lord have mercy. I cant wait for the day buyers have retina scans at point of purchase. That said, two weeks later there would be sellers with............ A, 20 boxes of Cohiba GR's under the arm, and........ B, a few eyeballs lanced on a skewer, waiting to be scanned Fingers crossed all is well, and there is nothing to see
NSXCIGAR Posted March 3, 2021 Posted March 3, 2021 On 3/3/2021 at 8:09 PM, 99call said: I'll admit to being very poorly educated on Cohiba, (as I have little interest in the marca), but what was the conclusion on this thread? were the four spots fakes?, or just a run of misprints? Expand There hasn't been a conclusion yet. We're still in the middle of it. 1
avaldes Posted March 4, 2021 Posted March 4, 2021 Rob, have you ever seen any Cohibas with this band and the wrong number of dots? You certainly see more boxes than any of us. I've never gotten a legit box of Cohibas that deviated from the standard band of the time.
Bijan Posted March 4, 2021 Posted March 4, 2021 On 3/4/2021 at 12:28 AM, avaldes said: Rob, have you ever seen any Cohibas with this band and the wrong number of dots? You certainly see more boxes than any of us. I've never gotten a legit box of Cohibas that deviated from the standard band of the time. Expand This would be a misprint that affected one or two relatively rare releases (Cohiba Seleccion Reserva and possibly Cohiba Double Corona) for a window of a few months in 2002-2003.
El Presidente Posted March 4, 2021 Author Posted March 4, 2021 On 3/4/2021 at 12:28 AM, avaldes said: Rob, have you ever seen any Cohibas with this band and the wrong number of dots? You certainly see more boxes than any of us. I've never gotten a legit box of Cohibas that deviated from the standard band of the time. Expand To be honest, I never look. I only purchase from PCC so I am not looking for issues of authenticity.
avaldes Posted March 4, 2021 Posted March 4, 2021 I am coming down on the side of very skeptical. At that time, they switched from the old bands to the new ones (Band C to Band D in Cuban Cigar Site's nomenclature). There was lots of conversation about how the new bands had 3 dots instead of the old two. I seriously don't remember anyone talking about 4 dots, and people scrutinized bands HEAVILY back then. Again, I have not seen as much as Rob, but of the 3 boxes of Reserva's I have seen, none had irregularities.
nKostyan Posted March 4, 2021 Posted March 4, 2021 The four dots were always fake. Cuban quality control? These Bands are printed in Europe.Printing error? You can make a mistake when cutting the bands, but can not print a additional number of dots. 2
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