Why Doesn't?

[El Presidente]

This is a question brought up on deck day Friday to which I had no decent answer ?

Why doesn't Punch have a Robusto?

I mean at one time they managed to peddle 3 corona gorda simultaneously but a proper ridge didge  Robusto? nada. 

To your mind would it work?

There are already some slow moving robusto in the HSA catalogue (CX/Regio/Picadores). 

Would a Punch Robusto be a risk or a winner along the lines of BRC...or bigger? 

 

[LLC]

If it’s anything like the Punch La Isla Robusto it would be a winner. 

[El Presidente]

Just now, LLC said:

If it’s anything like the Punch La Isla Robusto it would be a winner. 

I think the blend would lend itself to one. 

Being a fan of the Punch Short de Punch, the blend for a full bore Punch Robusto would be a winner. 

....and then we could bring back the Punch Petit Punch 

[LLC]

I think the blend would lend itself to one. 
Being a fan of the Punch Short de Punch, the blend for a full bore Punch Robusto would be a winner. 
....and then we could bring back the Punch Petit Punch 

I have some Punch Short de Punch from you but haven’t tried one yet. I’m looking forward to having one soon.


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[Fugu]

Not sure if I am missing the point -  but Punch got a fab Robusto with the Short de Punch. Blend is magnificent. It’s missing 4 mm to a „full bore” Robusto. You guys think it’s making a difference?

In that regard, no, I think a Robo in addition wouldn’t make much sense. ?

[JohnS]

As @Fugu mentioned above, the Punch Short de Punch is the largest Petit Robusto on the market currently, in terms of length, at 120 mm. This is just 4 mm or one-sixth of an inch short that a Robusto which is 124 mm in length. 

If the Punch marca were to get a Robusto-sized cigar it would be a size like the Montecristo Edmundo, something akin to a 52 ring gauge x 135 mm offering I would think.

However, would Habanos S.A introduce another regular production cigar in the Punch marca right now? In the light of economic circumstances in 2020 I would guess no.

[Fugu]

Let them have add a Ninfas instead ?

[JohnS]

A Punch Ninfas? Oh, what a sage idea. I'd love that to come back again!

[El Presidente]

22 minutes ago, Fugu said:

Not sure if I am missing the point -  but Punch got a fab Robusto with the Short de Punch. Blend is magnificent. It’s missing 4 mm to a „full bore” Robusto. You guys think it’s making a difference?

In that regard, no, I think a Robo in addition wouldn’t make much sense. ?

It's almost there and I love the Punch SDP. 

However the broader market does not consider it a Robusto. I think it loses a significant amount from a marketing perspective by not being a fully fledged member of the Robusto club. Hence the question raised to me Friday.  Those guys smoke cigars but still don't mentally pigeon hole the Punch SDP as a Robusto. 

I am just not sure why you shave off 4mm and lose all the marketing appeal. It could have been the Punch Robusto Imperial (or whatever) in boxes of 25 and 10. 

Less confusion. more marketing oomph. 

[El Presidente]

9 minutes ago, JohnS said:

A Punch Ninfas? Oh, what a sage idea. I'd love that to come back again!

in 50 cabs. 

[mprach024]

Well, we really do need more robustos out of Cuba.  There’s just simply not enough choice out there if I want a short fat cigar.  
 

Im certain if they released a Punch Robusto, it would do very well despite it being redundant.  Just like the Connie line, and most of the Trinidad line.  Must be working because they keep pumping out more and newer versions of robustos.  
 

[Fugu]

35 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

It's almost there and I love the Punch SDP. 

However the broader market does not consider it a Robusto. I think it loses a significant amount from a marketing perspective by not being a fully fledged member of the Robusto club. Hence the question raised to me Friday.  Those guys smoke cigars but still don't mentally pigeon hole the Punch SDP as a Robusto. 

I am just not sure why you shave off 4mm and lose all the marketing appeal. It could have been the Punch Robusto Imperial (or whatever) in boxes of 25 and 10. 

Less confusion. more marketing oomph. 

Perhaps. But I guess quite the reverse was true: The very reason is marketing. They initially came up with the idea of adding a Robusto, when someone objected, hey short and fat is the current trend! Let’s at least make it appear like it’s a Short Robusto and shave off a few mm. And - hey, let’s not miss to clearly  point out to it with a new funny name! ?

Edit: The more likely reason of course - someone got the boxes wrong...

[El Presidente]

5 minutes ago, Fugu said:

Perhaps. But I guess quite the reverse was true: The very reason is marketing. They initially came up with the idea of adding a Robusto, when someone objected, hey short and fat is the current trend! Let’s at least make it appear like it’s a Short Robusto and shave off a few mm. And - hey, let’s not miss to clearly  point out to it with a new funny name! ?

Edit: The more likely reason of corse - someone got the boxes wrong...

You could be right 

In a world (outside of the US) where tobacco advertising is largely taboo, nothing helps more than adding nonsensical names/sizes to confuse the message. 

[LordAnubis]

Isnt the Ninfas getting released in the historical tin range? maybe not the same same but it looked interesting to me atleast... 

And i think punch can add something smaller to its range. The coronations arent good enough i dont think, and their other regular stuff is corona gorda and above basically. If it's a robusto or a petite corona, not fussed, but they ned to get onto the short smokes band wagon. I reckon a Halc Corona punch would be killer actuallly.

[El Presidente]

7 minutes ago, LordAnubis said:

I reckon a Halc Corona punch would be killer actuallly.

It was. Punch Petit Punch was a cracking cigar. 

[clickbangdoh]

I'm sure HSA will soon be treating us to a proper Punch robustos, with a second label and a "robust" price in the low $20s USD.

[NSXCIGAR]

Short de Punch is going to be it as far as Robustos for Punch I'm afraid. It's close enough for me. 

I think Punch could use a Duke or Genios however. Fits in between the SdP and DC.

Dip, LGC, SP, LFDC and SLR could also really use a Robustos/Gorditos/Duke/Genios as well. 

[El Presidente]

52 minutes ago, NSXCIGAR said:

Dip, LGC, SP, LFDC and SLR could also really use a Robustos/Gorditos/Duke/Genios as well. 

Absolutely

My only concern there is that HSA have left those marques for distributors to play with on Regionals. 

 

[NSXCIGAR]

1 hour ago, El Presidente said:

Absolutely

My only concern there is that HSA have left those marques for distributors to play with on Regionals. 

 

I think they absolutely have made that their strategy, but IMO there's no downside to adding one popular 50+ model to a truly barren lineup.

You know how many Genios or Duke in any of those brands you'd sell, especially when not all of those brands get an ER every year, and the prices can be high and availability can be limited. 

If HSA asked you to add one regular production cigar to the catalog right now (that they'd realistically go for, i.e. no Punch Ninfas or PSdC) what would it be? 

Maybe this should be it's own thread...

[NSXCIGAR]

4 hours ago, mprach024 said:

Im certain if they released a Punch Robusto, it would do very well despite it being redundant.  Just like the Connie line, and most of the Trinidad line.  Must be working because they keep pumping out more and newer versions of robustos.  

Not sure what you mean by the Connies and Trini being redundant. I suppose the most redundant would be the Vigia & Topes, but I don't believe Vigia is a very popular cigar. Topes should outsell it handily going forward.

And yes, the Connie 2 will squeeze between the 1 and the A but it's not out yet, and I'm not sure the Connie 1 is really that popular and the 2 may not be either. Although I will say if the 2 is as good or better than the 1 I kind of like the idea of a 51/135 vitola. 

3 hours ago, LordAnubis said:

Isnt the Ninfas getting released in the historical tin range? maybe not the same same but it looked interesting to me atleast...

A Linea Retro Ninfas? Where'd you hear that? Seems pretty unlikely to me (mostly because it would be awesome so I know bthey won't do it.)

3 hours ago, LordAnubis said:

And i think punch can add something smaller to its range. The coronations arent good enough i dont think, and their other regular stuff is corona gorda and above basically. If it's a robusto or a petite corona, not fussed, but they ned to get onto the short smokes band wagon. I reckon a Halc Corona punch would be killer actuallly.

Would love to see some quality Minutos, Perlas or Franciscanos to several brands. Bring back the Dip 5, Bachilleres and Tres Petit Coronas! I've never understood not having one smaller cigar in a lineup. There are a lot of people who do not want larger cigars but like brands like Dip, SP and SLR. HSA alienates all of them.

And as far as Half Coronas, I am amazed that no more have been released. They seem to sell quite well. Every barren brand could use one right now. 

[Doctorossi]

I'd rather they did something skinnier, but I'd take any traditional size regular-production addition to the Punch line any day of the week. I'm sure it would sell well if it was a good blend.

[BrightonCorgi]

The '05 RE Punch Robusto is one of the best cigars I have ever smoked.

[LordAnubis]

15 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

A Linea Retro Ninfas? Where'd you hear that? Seems pretty unlikely to me (mostly because it would be awesome so I know bthey won't do it.)

Would love to see some quality Minutos, Perlas or Franciscanos to several brands. Bring back the Dip 5, Bachilleres and Tres Petit Coronas! I've never understood not having one smaller cigar in a lineup. There are a lot of people who do not want larger cigars but like brands like Dip, SP and SLR. HSA alienates all of them.

And as far as Half Coronas, I am amazed that no more have been released. They seem to sell quite well. Every barren brand could use one right now. 

My bad... Punch Truinfos or whatever is the new tin to be coming out apparently.

[NSXCIGAR]

2 hours ago, LordAnubis said:

My bad... Punch Truinfos or whatever is the new tin to be coming out apparently.

Ah, yes, the Triunfos will be a Linea Retro Marevas. I'm hoping it will be an improvement over the Coronations, but the price for the Linea Retro are too high for me anyway.