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Tried a Cohiba Red Dot once -for the heck of it- with the wife. She took one puff, looked at me and said, "Tastes like fish. And not the good kind."

Didn't but anymore of those, but I did have to double promise her she would not taste bad fish with the true version after that.

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5 hours ago, Zigatoh said:

Soap again - partagas lusitanos Portugal 

 

For me it's Uni - sushi sea urchin. Tastes like tidal pool (salt, old fish, bitter), always on the cold draw.

Soap, and with this same smoke too. From a previous post here from 2014 (

Recently smoked a Ramon Allones Portuguese RE 2010 that was totally soapy.

First Lusitanos out of the box had soap on the cold draw and throughout the first 2/3 of the cigar. Almost put it down but gave it a chance to the end where it redeemed itself a little.

Apparently I wasn't the only one that got that with this particular cigar:

 

Tried another a couple weeks later and it was fine, really good actually.

So it seems from some cursory research I've done that certain naturally occurring phenols in tobacco, particularly carbolic acid, can have a decided influence on the potential for a soapy taste to be detected.

Carbolic acid is used in many soaps http://en.wikipedia....i/Carbolic_soap

Considering further, Beta Damascenone is a rose ketone present in tobacco that contributes to honey, plum, tobacco (?!?), and black currant nuances along with megastigmatrienones which also introduce sweet tobacco, honeyed and dried (stewed) fruit flavors to our cigars.

Other interesting carotenoid derivatives found in cured tobacco are theaspirone, an ingredient in black tea and a component of tea essential oil, and beta-cyclocitral, which is described as green, grassy or hay-like. Must be the prevalent compounds in Cohibas...

In addition I found that apparently many of the flavors and aromas such as woody, vanilla, anise, clove, nutmeg, cinammon and basil/vegetal along with the occasional 'whiff of a Sharpie marker' can all be attributed to these same phenolshttp://cigarfan.net/.../cigar-science/

For the truly interested or ambitious student, extensive detail on the chemical compounds in various tobaccos and results from burning can be found in this 56 page dissertation:

http://www.leffingwe...._chemistry.pdf

Of course some individuals are more prone than others in detecting the particular chemical compounds that contribute to the flavors or sensations found while enjoying a particular cigar, and this certainly gives merit to the duration and conditions surrounding the aging of cigars as the chemical compounds change over time.

To quote Tom (cigarfan), author of the initial reference, "Many cigar enthusiasts have detected flavors like these at one point or another. Floral, honey and tea-like notes I find most often in milder cigars, usually with shade wrappers. And while these are just a few of the elements from only one group of the many compounds that contribute to the flavor and aroma of cigar tobacco, I hope it shows that notes of tea or grass or violet are not out of the range of possibility for some experienced cigar enthusiasts.

So if you find yourself musing over the soft wood and floral notes of that ’02 Choix Supreme and suddenly detect a hint of honey, consider yourself fortunate… not crazy."

On another note, cilantro has also been described as having a soapy taste. Apparently it is aldehydes that cause the soapy sensation in cilantro/coriander. Interstingly, aldehydes are also present in tobacco. Things that make you say Hmmm.....

 

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