24:24 change you?

[JohnInCleveland]

9 hours ago, jfire said:

I'm not sure how much of the stock is affected. But there are flippers buying your 24 stock. And I'm not talking about buying a box to keep a few and sell the rest to even out. I'm talking your your grading stickers and codes, over half a dozen or more boxes in a week being sold by several individuals on certain sites.
I'm all for a free/open market.
But maybe:
A 1 box limit on some items needs be inforced?
Something like a max of 1 box clearance CoRos can only be had if you buy something else from the 24 that's most likely not the hot item of the day?
Maybe limiting members to so many boxes total a week. Once they hit the total they are done for the week.
It's not my business. But I wish the FoH team well in whatever decision they make.
Now onto smoke #1 of the blind taste test........


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All it takes is a quick visit to Facebook to find people on this site who flip boxes in the US.  They're brazen sometimes, and I'm not talking people who don't post on here.  One in particular posts almost daily...

 

It's not in the spirit of the site and it makes it damn near impossible to get some of the more desirable offerings.  I'm not complaining about FOH, I love it here, it's a shame bc these flippers hurt the site for everyone.  

[rhcolbert]

Flipping on Facebook? Jesus that it brazen.  Not on Facegram, snaptwit or anything other than this. Maybe why I miss it. 

[Dimmers]

9 hours ago, CaptainQuintero said:

Thinking back at the madness of the LFTH effects in their prime, I don't even know how the crew managed it. Just unadulterated wall to wall pants on head madness.

awesome times 

 

[JohnInCleveland]

11 minutes ago, rhcolbert said:

Flipping on Facebook? Jesus that it brazen.  Not on Facegram, snaptwit or anything other than this. Maybe why I miss it. 

Hoarding cigars?  By all means, I'm guilty as sin.  Half the people on here are, that's half the fun.  

 

Buying rare, aged stock nobody can get and posting them at a markup shortly after bragging about getting them on FOH?  Sorry, it's in poor taste.  There's a line somewhere in there and I wish it didn't require saying it's scummy for it to be evident.  

 

[FLB03TT]

24:24 has completely changed my CC acquisition process. I used to chase box codes from other vendors, but learned how much of a crapshoot that approach is- it just doesn't work. Rob's review, grading and pictures are absolutely essential to acquiring good boxes. I love 24:24 and could not imagine a world without it. 

Some fine tuning like limiting 1st hour sales to one box per customer would be a great idea. I have a fast internet connection, but feel for those who don't, and who regularly miss out. One box in first hour would help level the playing field for all.

As for those sucking up multiple boxes for resale- let them burn in hell, which is where they're ending up anyway. That behavior is completely abhorrent and not at all in the spirit of the community the vast majority of us are trying to develop and perpetuate here.

[ONEintheCHAMBER]

I have been a Cuban cigar smoker for years, but towards the middle of 2016 I began purchasing in extremely large amounts, I basically just decided that I was able to maintain and care for a larger amount of cigars and wanted to start buying in full boxes and begin a collection.  I have been non-stop purchasing every month from multiple trusted sources, I was an active reader of FOH for years, the site helped me learn pretty much everything I know today, I have been an official member for over a month now, I have purchased from Cuntint and 24:24. 

24:24 is just a whole different animal, I absolutely love it, and yes it has consumed me, lol.  Alarms set on my cell phone, the act of viewing the listings, and sending out an email as fast as I can, and then waiting for a confirmation email, its exhilarating.  I have lost many, and I have won few, but the wins, oh they are amazing!!!! 

I am strictly a collector, and a enjoyer of fine cigars, and its not a secret that there are people who profiteer from the 24:24 listings, I think as a lover of cigars every person should have a chance to purchase and enjoy a box of cigars that they want off of the listings.  Therefor a box purchase limit should be put on every listing, everyone deserves the right to a fair chance, and I don't imagine anyone who is not profiteering would complain about that. 

Diana and the team are amazing!!!!!   

[GavLew79]

24:24 has become less relevant for me. With the growth of custom from the US (no offence intended, just an observation) over the last 6-12 months, there is, 99% of the time, nothing left by the time waking hours arrive in the UK. 

With great service, growth is inevitable. With growth must come change. I embrace it Rob, because in whatever guise this kind of thing returns in, you can guarantee that with FoH the service will be impeccable. 

With regards to those people with a sense of entitlement, I'm not sure where they are from,  but in all walks of life there will always be some wankers who spoil it for the rest of us!

[Maxismoke]

14 hours ago, dominattorney said:

I'm saddened to hear that there is negativity associated with 24 24. Sorry to hear that. Diana is so pleasant that I can't believe people would act badly toward her. Maybe we just block people who act poorly entirely?

Exactly, I've had nothing but pleasant interactions with Di. Always patient and friendly!

I say 1 chance then you're out, no need for members that can't be nice.

[devildoge9]

I found FOH accidentally while trying to figure out if the $200 box of Behike 56 I bought was fakes... LOL what an idiot!  I had no idea how rare they were and the true value, just knew it was a smoke I wanted to try.  What I found here was a tremendous education in CC's.  Watched many of Robs hilarious reviews on youtube, scoured through many of these discussions in the forums and started watching the 24 24 and building a wonderful inventory of CC's that I am anxious to start smoking. 

  I have to say, each and every interaction with Diana and the logistics team has been nothing short of spectacularly friendly and efficient customer service, making me feel like I am dealing with friends.  The format of 24 24 seems to me to be pretty fair.  Mostly I have been successful but have also missed a few that I hoped to have and don't see any reason to suspect any unfair play.  I've enjoyed this experience, except that it's cost me over $4k over the last 3 weeks!!  And I so wanted a box of the BBF and Punch Punch yesterday... but at some point must exercise discipline!!!  I'm going to hold off for some aged boxes so I can experience a variety between new and aged.  Up till now I have been unto Drew estate Ligas, assorted Padron, PDR AFR 75 as my regular smokes... totally new to CC's and very glad to have happened upon this site.

Rob, however you decide to format the sale in the future, I trust you will do it in a way that works well for all.  For what it's worth coming from an extreme newbie, I kind of like the idea about limiting number of boxes of highly sought after product, at least in the first hour or two, as someone else mentioned.

Thanks to all who take the time to share their experiences and humour!

[bnasse9900]

22 hours ago, JohnInCleveland said:

All it takes is a quick visit to Facebook to find people on this site who flip boxes in the US.  They're brazen sometimes, and I'm not talking people who don't post on here.  One in particular posts almost daily...

 

It's not in the spirit of the site and it makes it damn near impossible to get some of the more desirable offerings.  I'm not complaining about FOH, I love it here, it's a shame bc these flippers hurt the site for everyone.  

Man, I guess I'm not surprised, but this is a bummer.  To me it's in opposition to the spirit of this entire site.  Prez - Thoughts on creating a "Bad Buyer" list?  It'd create a little more work for you, but maybe we let common sense prevail.  The important thing would be where to draw the line.  But if someone is stockpiling inventory and reselling in the open, that's not cool... If someone is abusing the system, allow them to enjoy the forums, but ban them from the 24:24 sales.  Just a thought.

Personally, the 24:24 has enabled me to buy a few regular production cigars that I wouldn't typically go after, simply because I know the quality will be high.  I imagine I'll get to a point where I'm buying to age, but right now I'm diving deep into smoking as many cigars as I can (because it's fun) to learn about their nuances. 

[Guest gorob23]

On 3/5/2017 at 11:21 PM, SignalJoe said:

Please don't let this be the case. What the hell it's just a cigar?  Besides there is another 24:24 tomorrow!  

 

 

THIS is the best attitude. 

Enjoy Life, it's the Best revenge! 

 

Rob 

[BarryNY]

First and foremost, this site is about friendships and gathering information along with sharing ideas, thoughts and experiences.

That being said, the ability to purchase boxes via 24:24 is an unbelieveable benefit if not honor.

Just like the rules for the Trading Room - I believe that in order to take advantage of products offered in the 24:24 sale you should limit the participants to those with 6 months of membership and a minimum of 100 posts....newbies can always buy products on CUNTINT.

[Colt45]

On 3/6/2017 at 9:07 AM, topdiesel said:

have a shopping cart.  First come first served.  Sold out  pops up when gone. 

My thought as well - simply go back to selling everything (including sale / limited availability) through the store with a real time cart.

Someone wants to purchase cigars, browse to see what's in and available and buy 'em. When they're gone you can't add them to

your cart.

 

[devildoge9]

37 minutes ago, BarryNY said:

First and foremost, this site is about friendships and gathering information along with sharing ideas, thoughts and experiences.

That being said, the ability to purchase boxes via 24:24 is an unbelieveable benefit if not honor.

Just like the rules for the Trading Room - I believe that in order to take advantage of products offered in the 24:24 sale you should limit the participants to those with 6 months of membership and a minimum of 100 posts....newbies can always buy products on CUNTINT.

  Barry, your first two sentences are spot on, I couldn't agree with you more!

  But I just spent well over $4k in the 24 24 sale over the last few weeks, all for my own stock to age and enjoy.  That's over $4k worth of business to a new comer and not to someone flipping them for profits.  What is the benefit of keeping me from making those purchases for 6 months?  Just curious!  

[Realmikemeadows]

  Barry, your first two sentences are spot on, I couldn't agree with you more!

  But I just spent well over $4k in the 24 24 sale over the last few weeks, all for my own stock to age and enjoy.  That's over $4k worth of business to a new comer and not to someone flipping them for profits.  What is the benefit of keeping me from making those purchases for 6 months?  Just curious!  

I tend to agree with Devil dog. I would assume from the business side of things, newcomers provide a large part of the revenue on 24:24 because we are stoked to have such a wonderful source for fantastic quality. It's like giving a rookie a multi million dollar contract and him blowing it on parties and cars! Our excitement probably drives sales thru the roof. Like Devildog said I've spent close to 10k since December and I'm pretty sure Rob and the team are quite OK with that. I have referred friends to the site and have nothing short of awesome experiences when dealing with Di and the logistics crew! Thanks again for all you do Pres!

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[BarryNY]

Guys...it was just a thought and suggestion....but the big issue is that there is literallly an instanteous sell out of the 24:24 offer.  So I don't think that "driving sales" is the issue...

Supply is not unlimited therefore with or without the "new" business - Rob would most likely do just fine....maybe the 6 month/100 post crew should get a 1 hour jump...

 

[Dmpotocek]

It's the age old problem. As soon as you create more rules, people will try to find a way around them. It sucks, but how would you differentiate between a scumbag flipper and someone on a cigar buying bender. The 6 month/100 post for early access would be nice until we found ourselves in an Animal Farm situation.


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[BuzzArd]

To go back to the original question, "has the 24:24 influenced your buying" 

I'd have to say yes.  Rob's mouthwatering descriptions have had me asking for boxes I'd have never even considered in the past.  Everything i asked for is still in my humidors. None for sale.  They'll die waiting for me to smoke 'em, or they'll die when I find and light them.

 

Or I'll die, whichever comes first...

[BarryNY]

11 minutes ago, Dmpotocek said:

It's the age old problem. As soon as you create more rules, people will try to find a way around them. It sucks, but how would you differentiate between a scumbag flipper and someone on a cigar buying bender. The 6 month/100 post for early access would be nice until we found ourselves in an Animal Farm situation.


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From the responses I think the majority here would opt to ban the flipper..........

[dominattorney]

1 hour ago, devildoge9 said:

  Barry, your first two sentences are spot on, I couldn't agree with you more!

  But I just spent well over $4k in the 24 24 sale over the last few weeks, all for my own stock to age and enjoy.  That's over $4k worth of business to a new comer and not to someone flipping them for profits.  What is the benefit of keeping me from making those purchases for 6 months?  Just curious!  

I am similarly situated. I've spent thousands, and it shows no sign of letting up. I usually buy just one box though and I think a box limit of one per customer would be the shortest distance between fairness and availability of product to the masses. Personally, I would have a zero tolerance policy toward anyone who couldn't be civil to Diana. Abuse toward anyone, but especially customer service personnel without just cause is a pet peeve of mine  

[JohnInCleveland]

 There seems to be a general consensus amongst a lot of people that the concern is multiple purchases of the same Marca right at the time they go live.  

 

I'll throw this scenario out bc Its worth pondering.  El Presidente gets the first shipment of Sir Winston in eons.  Let's say there's 50 boxes.  I'd be 100% thrilled and content if 50 of you buggers had quicker trigger fingers and fetched a box and I got shut out, but if I saw one of you got a half dozen, I'd feel very differently.  

 

On 3/6/2017 at 6:59 PM, FLB03TT said:

17 minutes ago, dominattorney said:

I am similarly situated. I've spent thousands, and it shows no sign of letting up. I usually buy just one box though and I think a box limit of one per customer would be the shortest distance between fairness and availability of product to the masses. Personally, I would have a zero tolerance policy toward anyone who couldn't be civil to Diana. Abuse toward anyone, but especially customer service personnel without just cause is a pet peeve of mine  

 

[Mattb82]

1 hour ago, JohnInCleveland said:

 There seems to be a general consensus amongst a lot of people that the concern is multiple purchases of the same Marca right at the time they go live.  

 

I'll throw this scenario out bc Its worth pondering.  El Presidente gets the first shipment of Sir Winston in eons.  Let's say there's 50 boxes.  I'd be 100% thrilled and content if 50 of you buggers had quicker trigger fingers and fetched a box and I got shut out, but if I saw one of you got a half dozen, I'd feel very differently.  

 

Agree with this 100% 

[devildoge9]

3 minutes ago, BarryNY said:

Guys...it was just a thought and suggestion....but the big issue is that there is literallly an instanteous sell out of the 24:24 offer.  So I don't think that "driving sales" is the issue...

Supply is not unlimited therefore with or without the "new" business - Rob would most likely do just fine....maybe the 6 month/100 post crew should get a 1 hour jump...

 

  One thing is clear here... Barry hates newbies... this newbie says, no soup for you!

[PlatypusMaximus]

I am similarly situated. I've spent thousands, and it shows no sign of letting up. I usually buy just one box though and I think a box limit of one per customer would be the shortest distance between fairness and availability of product to the masses. Personally, I would have a zero tolerance policy toward anyone who couldn't be civil to Diana. Abuse toward anyone, but especially customer service personnel without just cause is a pet peeve of mine  

I agree with this 100℅. Except maybe a 2 box limit. Either way, I too think that limiting the number of boxes would be the most fair and practical.

For example, by not allowing new members access to the 24:24 you allow the flippers even more access to inventory and profits. Why reward them at the expense of new members who are just starting in the world of CC's, and are buying for their own personal consumption and collection?

Finally, I too support a zero tolerance policy of rude behavior towards Diana or any member of their Team. They are so gracious and friendly to all of us. They indeed deserve the same in return. Just my 2 cents.

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[fabes]

Man... if some of you were running shops with the "rules" you're tossing out with reckless abandon, rest assured I wouldn't be buying from y'all. 

Di, Rob and all the rest of the team have been nothing short of splendid. I for one will continue to enjoy the ride as it evolves and am pretty sure it will be a good time.