ISIS in the news - Australia getting in on the action...

[Fosgate]

I just wish I hadn't sold off most of my 50+ firearm collection.

I freaked last year when I saw this. No way would I live somewhere that this happens and people just stand there, watch the act and listen to him because they have no way to defend themselves let alone others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiuP3YR5yUA

[CaptainQuintero]

There is one reason no one will ever win against these guys, or the extremists after them. That reason is because the western world has an inherent nature of putting their resources into the business of other countries/people.

Terrible things happen, instead of falling back and defending the home soil, we go out and arm a side. Somalia-Ethipoia, Bin Laden, Hussein, Mubarak, ISIS are all grown from ourselves.

There's a rumour going around Russia (and it's coming to fruition as we speak) that the western worlds action to combat ISIS will be to create ISIS 2, and so on and so on.

We humans are a very stupid race. We never learn from our actions, or from our fallen.

In the end though, it's all a means to an end. Your people want you out of a war zone, but you want to be in it. It's profitable to be at war and supply both sides with the resources to fight. So you make the circumstances appear as though your countries safety is being threatened, and all the people will follow you into battle themselves.

Like natives to their respective countries, communists, and now muslims... there is always an enemy. It's the decent human beings on both sides that have to live on a daily basis with the result of greed and a thirst for blood from the few we call "leaders".

Awesome post bro!

[CaptainQuintero]

What do you guys think about this article?

http://mobile.wnd.com/2014/09/with-isis-arrests-australians-wishing-they-had-guns/#C64KhLSxegMPdYuO.01

Just scaremongering, the basis of the argument seems to be 'there were two beheadings in the UK', nope there was one terrible event where an off duty solider outside of a barracks was hit on purpose by a car and while everyone was in shock, his body was attacked. I honestly don't see how people being armed would have stopped the event. People were in such shock that the event which took seconds after the car crash was just not taken in or seen, no one had a clue what was going on until minutes later when the two attacks started shouting what they had done, at which point the police arrived and shot them... It's natural to see people rushing to a person who has been hit by a car. It seems horribly unnatural to see a car accident, immediately draw a gun and run to the people around the body to check the head isn't being removed by them. That's the only way the beheading wouldn't have taken place and that would mean the country would have to invest in armed paranoid militias stood on each street running to every event with weapons drawn.

The "second" beheading was recently where a mentally unstable non-muslim (That's the crux of the issue for lots of people) attacked a cat then ran into a house and attacked a woman. Police later ruled the incident not related to terrorism (Police speak meaning it wasn't a muslim, lets be honest someone being beheaded is still an act which inspires terror..)

That's the thing with these attacks, civilians being armed would no more have stopped them than New Yorkers being armed would have stopped 9-11. If there are highly trained officers on every street that are trained to react to these situations then yes that might stop some events, would even that have stopped the solider being hit by a car? Of course not.

There is a balancing act, if you change you culture into one of paranoia and fear then the terrorists have won, in many cases they have because of how our governments have acted.

Another issue would be the first attack was an asymmetric attack on soldiers at their base not on civilians. Would the attack have happened if those troops had not been deployed in the middle east in the first place? I don't know but it is a significant issue.

If someone is slapped in the face for long enough, they will eventually strike back.

[CanuckSARTech]

LOCK AND LOAD BROTHERS!! Bulletin went out to LEO and Military warning ISIS is encouraging supporters to go kill GI's and Police in their homes back here in the states.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09/17/law-enforcement-bulletin-warned-isis-urging-jihad-attacks-on-us-soil/

[CanuckSARTech]

I'm worried about anything coming from Fox News as the source.

[Reevzy]

It's already made it hard for me working at a smallish airport here in Melbourne.

Can't walk across the tarmac to get parts without having to through pain in the arse "clearance checks" now.

Quicker to jump in the car and drive around

[Fosgate]

I'm worried about anything coming from Fox News as the source.

It was blasted on CNN and MSNBC etc today as well.

[DrunkenMonkey]

When you're in the state of constant and eternal war, it's easy to keep people nervous and afraid, and every nut job who does some terrible thing can be attributed to the current enemy, whether that enemy is Muslims, communists, trade unionists, Eastasia or Eurasia, depending on the current need.

[CanuckSARTech]

When you're in the state of constant and eternal war, it's easy to keep people nervous and afraid, and every nut job who does some terrible thing can be attributed to the current enemy, whether that enemy is Muslims, communists, trade unionists, Eastasia or Eurasia, depending on the current need.

Well said.

War, arms supply, etc. is a big business as someone said previously, and the market just keeps getting busier.

[stigmata]

How much do we really know about ISIS and its beginnings . Look at their relations with regional governments and outside the regions governments. It seems they grew too strong and crossed some lines that they should not have.

We the west have been using them for years.

They didn't just spring up out of nowhere.. An irreparable fighting force that has been sweeping all before them. Including the American / Australian / EU trained and militarily supplied Iraq army.

We have been giving them equal training and armoury except they have been honing their fighting skills against the old Libyan govt and now Syrian.

Funnily we are flooding the area when now do work weapons.. Arming the " moderate anti Assad forces " that's a joke in itself if you understand what's going on...

Plus all the foreign fighters come through NATO member Turkey... And they're also bankrolled by not only the west but also that beacon of democracy Saudi Arabia that's also an ally..

Meanwhile the shocking beheadings are a precursor to our democratic rights and liberties stripped away from us... Of course in our blind fear to not be beheaded we ate looking to the government for security as we cower away from the TV " shocking me right out of my brain " as Shirl and the Skyhook's used to sing..

Think about it.. We're living in Plato's cave..

As are the terrorists ...

[CaptainQuintero]

Abbot: Security before some freedom.

Australian PM Tony Abbot says certain freedoms may have to be forfeited in the name of security, after major anti-terror raids last week.

His government will seek broad new powers to fight the rising threat of militant Islamists.

-BBC

Any thoughts on this from our Oz gang?

It sounds like the stuff Blair and co claimed post 9-11 which brought in massive police powers, detentions without charge, closed secret courts, "malicious communications" laws etc.

Is this the thin end of the edge or something justified?

I do remember someone saying those who relinquish freedoms for the sake of security deserve neither. I know our leaders don't follow this logic! When all parties support the incoming laws what options are left to people?

Just some Monday morning thoughts!

[Duxnutz]

Australia is already a nanny-state, can't imagine what they have planned. I'm sure it'll be along the same lines though, we generally follow the mistakes other countries make a decade down the road.

[MIKA27]

Australia is already a nanny-state, can't imagine what they have planned. I'm sure it'll be along the same lines though, we generally follow the mistakes other countries make a decade down the road.

We are a nanny state but I think in this instance of terrorist threats, I'm all for harsher penalties. I'd happily give up some freedoms because I have nothing to hide nor am I doing anything unlawful as a citizen of Australia. It's those di*k heads threatening to behead others that this will help catch and detain.

Last week, they released 9 out of the 14 or so people caught. That's not good IMO.

[MrGTO]

We are a nanny state but I think in this instance of terrorist threats, I'm all for harsher penalties. I'd happily give up some freedoms because I have nothing to hide nor am I doing anything unlawful as a citizen of Australia. It's those di*k heads threatening to behead others that this will help catch and detain.

Last week, they released 9 out of the 14 or so people caught. That's not good IMO.

Don't give up on any of your freedoms.... Those people who take them away will never give them back.

[MIKA27]

Don't give up on any of your freedoms.... Those people who take them away will never give them back.

You are 100% right but its those same freedoms that protect terrorists and lunatics which make it a catch 22 situation. You're doomed either way here with outdated legislation and laws which always seem to protect everyone but the innocent...

[El Presidente]

Don't give up on any of your freedoms.... Those people who take them away will never give them back.

I am with you on that one.

The onus is on proof that we need new laws here to deal with the problem. Those arrested in the past week were arrested under existing laws.

It really is sad that politicians and bureaucrats are seen with such scepticism. Mind you, they have earned it.

[Dozerhead]

Don't give up on any of your freedoms.... Those people who take them away will never give them back.

I agree. The freedoms I enjoy were paid with too high a price for me to just give away.