Sir Winston

[Dozerhead]

So I'm right in my assessment that it didn't make any sense? Or do you just think my feeble brain won't be able to process the subtle brilliance of the statement? Either way, I'd appreciate you explaining what you meant. Maybe give me a crack at it and see if I can process it?

I've been having a hard time following this thread and the logic, too. I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why anyone would pay a 1000 bucks for a box of cigars that apparently hasn't changed in 8 years (according to Eddie) when you can get them for well more than half of that. I'm just thankful that I don't smoke Sir Winstons very often.

For me, I just stick to trusting my vendor whether it be cigars or anything else for that matter.

[DrunkenMonkey]

Here it is, Eddie; please explain what you were saying here:

If you want another pointless experiment to illustrate this, smoke Connoiseur A side by side with a Sir Winston from 2013. You will NEVER EVER trust the name on a Sir Winston band again -- EVER (even if it is so good you want to take it to the desert island).

[Tino]

If they're great, don't worry about it. I assure you that my opinion will not affect the resale value of your Sir Winstons or the oohs and aahs when you share great Sir Winstons with friends.

Isn't cigars with friends the whole point of this hobby?

Heres a simpler thought to process. Maybe stocks are low because someone wants to justify the high price point? To me both Sancho Panza and Juan Lopez are cheaper, more available, taste better, and are rolled by the same people. 50 Juan Lopez 2s or 25 Sir Winston? No brainer to me.

50 JL No 2s are a combined 6250cm length of tobacco, whereas 25 Winnies are only 4450cm of tobacco. Draw your own conclusions

[Zigatoh]

And the thread continue s with Eddie making nonsensical statement s (mostly seemingly unrelated as well) while avoiding answering direct questions...

[CaptainQuintero]

Don't feed the troll

[MPS]

Don't feed the troll

When all else fails resort to name calling.

[ewipper]

Here it is, Eddie; please explain what you were saying here:

This lesson is not free and is also worthless if you haven't smoked the cigars yourself. You have no frame of reference for comparison. Learn on your own dime. And please, find the ignore button, it will be easier than finding Sir Winstons.

And the thread continue s with Eddie making nonsensical statement s (mostly seemingly unrelated as well) while avoiding answering direct questions...

You can lead a horse to water....sigh.

[DrunkenMonkey]

This lesson is not free and is also worthless if you haven't smoked the cigars yourself. You have no frame of reference for comparison. Learn on your own dime. And please, find the ignore button, it will be easier than finding Sir Winstons.

I was asking you to explain what you meant by the statement that I quoted above. You have no idea what I have or haven't smoked, so your assertion that I have no frame of reference is without basis, as well as pointlessly insulting.

I wanted you to explain, preferably in English sentences that make sense, why you suggested comparing '13 Sir Winstons with the Connie A. That is, what is the point of your suggestion, what do you think one would learn from this comparison, and what do you you think the conclusions would be?

[ewipper]

I was asking you to explain what you meant by the statement that I quoted above. You have no idea what I have or haven't smoked, so your assertion that I have no frame of reference is without basis, as well as pointlessly insulting.

I wanted you to explain, preferably in English sentences that make sense, why you suggested comparing '13 Sir Winstons with the Connie A. That is, what is the point of your suggestion, what do you think one would learn from this comparison, and what do you you think the conclusions would be?

I suggest doing the experiment first. Otherwise you will be biased by my conclusions. Thats why it's an experiment and not an exercise in validation or contrarianism.

[DrunkenMonkey]

I suggest doing the experiment first. Otherwise you will be biased by my conclusions. Thats why it's an experiment and not an exercise in validation or contrarianism.

But why did you suggest it? What are you saying I will learn by it?

[DrunkenMonkey]

If you want another pointless experiment to illustrate this, smoke Connoiseur A side by side with a Sir Winston from 2013. You will NEVER EVER trust the name on a Sir Winston band again -- EVER (even if it is so good you want to take it to the desert island).

Presumably you were trying to make a point with this. What I'm trying to figure out is what you are trying to get across. I assume that you understand what point you were trying to make. No reasonable person would be able to discern from this what your point was. So again, what was your point?

[Optic101]

So again, what was your point?

Good point !

[CaptainQuintero]

When all else fails resort to name calling.

So there's room under the bridge for two! Did you know Cuban cigars are illegal in the US because they have weed in them??!!

[ewipper]

Ignore = pull down menu with your name on top, My Setting, "ignore" preferences. Pretty cool.

[DrunkenMonkey]

Thanks Eddie. That's what I thought.

[MPS]

So there's room under the bridge for two! Did you know Cuban cigars are illegal in the US because they have weed in them??!!

Do you have anything nice to say?

[ewipper]

Do you have anything nice to say?

Robbie, ignore doesn't work when you quote his posts.

[MPS]

Robbie, ignore doesn't work when you quote his posts.

Too bad. Seems like no one wants to learn anything about cigars these days. Doesn't mean anyone's right or wrong. No one wants to really find out.

[ewipper]

Too bad. Seems like no one wants to learn anything about cigars these days. Doesn't mean anyone's right or wrong. No one wants to really find out.

Learn isn't the issue. No one wants to think, to get a fresh perspective.

Do you remember that B-movie with Roddy Piper?

[Ryan]

Guys, everyone, I'm not pointing any fingers here. At all.

But please try to keep the discussion civil, it's a very interesting topic and it would be good to have it continue.

Thanks

[CaptainQuintero]

-Esplendidos and sir winstons are the same cigar

-don't believe anything that comes from Cuba because it isn't answerable to the US judicial system

- if you disagree you are a commie apologist

Think that's everything,

THREAD END now please :/

[DrunkenMonkey]

Learn isn't the issue. No one wants to think, to get a fresh perspective.

Do you remember that B-movie with Roddy Piper?

I was just asking you to clarify the point that you had attempted to make. If you had a point why not clarify? Why the obfuscation? What was your point?

[MPS]

-Esplendidos and sir winstons are the same cigar

-don't believe anything that comes from Cuba because it isn't answerable to the US judicial system

- if you disagree you are a commie apologist

Think that's everything,

THREAD END now please :/

Excellent summary of your understanding on the topic at hand. Here is what I got from it:

Don't judge a cigar by the band

Don't believe what your told

Let taste be your guide

Keep an open mind

[CaptainQuintero]

Obviously a point of view issue here, all I see is hearsay and rumours being repeated that were from a Cuban expat. Possibly the most bias place one could get information about Cuba from.

When asked for any evidence or proof none was given aside from political points abd some nonsense about being a Cuban apologist (whatever that is), and the sanctity of the US judicial system.

All anyone asked for was some evidence to back up some pretty out there claims. Im sue everyone commenting was doing so from a position if taste experience. taste being subjective its a little strange to develop a whole conspiracy theory because someone thinks two cigars taste the same, and a Cuba expat said thats because its all a big inside job to gain money from ignorant people. You know, we weren't believing everything what we were being told...

[MPS]

Obviously a point of view issue here, all I see is hearsay and rumours being repeated that were from a Cuban expat. Possibly the most bias place one could get information about Cuba from.When asked for any evidence or proof none was given aside from political points abd some nonsense about being a Cuban apologist (whatever that is), and the sanctity of the US judicial system.All anyone asked for was some evidence to back up some pretty out there claims.

1. People who have visited Cuba have seen this being done with their own eyes - just ask - they are not all Cuban expats looking to bring down the Cuban cigar industry they are people who love Havanas but can be critical because of their love.2. On this site a picture was once posted of the weight of specific tocbacco in different size habanos and it didn't depend on Marca. 3. Edited for EL PRESIDENTE4. For the record I am an American who travels to Cuba legally to visit my family there. I love the Cuban people and Cuban Tobacco.