ewipper Posted February 15, 2014 Posted February 15, 2014 Right, i forgot, box codes don't matter. Silly me. 3
Smallclub Posted February 15, 2014 Posted February 15, 2014 A pointless, not to mention expensive experiment... Certainly not pointless… 3
fingerburner Posted February 15, 2014 Posted February 15, 2014 Right, i forgot, box codes don't matter. Silly me. Cohiba actually use a different fermentation process to all other marcas. FYI. Has nothing to do with factory codes.
CaptainQuintero Posted February 15, 2014 Posted February 15, 2014 Might just be personal tastes, They have always been worlds apart to me, young and fresh. 1
Smallclub Posted February 15, 2014 Posted February 15, 2014 Cohiba actually use a different fermentation process to all other marcas. FYI. I'm tempted to call it marketing bullshit, specially when I see how bad young Siglos can taste; if these Siglos truly go through an extra fermentation, then someone doesn't do his job properly… 1
DrunkenMonkey Posted February 15, 2014 Posted February 15, 2014 Might just be personal tastes, They have always been worlds apart to me, young and fresh. No you're right, they're not remotely the same cigar.
Dozerhead Posted February 15, 2014 Posted February 15, 2014 I'm tempted to call it marketing bullshit, specially when I see how bad young Siglos can taste; if these Siglos truly go through an extra fermentation, then someone doesn't do his job properly… LOL. I've always wondered if that was marketing BS, too.
CaptainQuintero Posted February 15, 2014 Posted February 15, 2014 Cohiba certainly have a different colour filler from what I've seen. A richer brown that I don't see the same shade/colour of in any other cigar. Whether it's any better than regular filler is taste but I'm sure something different is done along the way, for better or worse is another thing!
ewipper Posted February 15, 2014 Posted February 15, 2014 Might just be personal tastes, They have always been worlds apart to me, young and fresh. "Have always" you're conflating what Tabacalera was rolling even one or two years ago with the assembly line churchills that theyre churning out daily in San Antonio Triple fermentation? Really? Maybe at laguito, but in dinkyville factory with 20 and a half rollers? Why triple ferment when they can put esplendido bands on generic churchills and nobody can tell the difference? Worked for Romeo and upmann. In fact when people complained they put two bands on romeo churchills and they suddenly tasted twice as good. 1
Colt45 Posted February 15, 2014 Posted February 15, 2014 Triple fermentation? Really? Maybe at laguito, but in dinkyville factory with 20 and a half rollers? Theoretically, as the processing takes place elsewhere, what difference would it make which factory the processed tobacco is sent to for rolling?
ewipper Posted February 15, 2014 Posted February 15, 2014 Theoretically, as the processing takes place elsewhere, what difference would it make which factory the processed tobacco is sent to for rolling? Theoretically indeed. But i think its safe to conclude that consistency in cigars and how they are made is no better than consistency in packaging. "Its Cuba" doesnt just apply to boxes and bands.
Popular Post ramon_cojones Posted February 15, 2014 Popular Post Posted February 15, 2014 I don't think you know what sir winstons and esplendidos taste like. 7
stogieluver Posted February 15, 2014 Posted February 15, 2014 Cohiba actually use a different fermentation process to all other marcas. FYI. Has nothing to do with factory codes. Not just different, but longer as well. May be the same thing, but I know the Cohiba tobacco is aged longer before being rolled.
pbibby Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 Aren't we talking about Cuba here? Does anyone really KNOW what goes on? 2
LouisMazzini Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 Theoretically indeed. But i think its safe to conclude that consistency in cigars and how they are made is no better than consistency in packaging. "Its Cuba" doesnt just apply to boxes and bands. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss what this gent is saying. My humble opinion of course. There is much to learn from what this fella is saying. From personal experience. And the experiment....if tried....would be quite eye opening I do believe. Again, IMHO.
Colt45 Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 But i think its safe to conclude that consistency in cigars and how they are made is no better than consistency in packaging. No doubt - for me consistency (or lack thereof) is one of the banes of the Cuban cigar. But I also feel that Cuban cigars typically share more similarities than differences - blind tasting can be humbling. There is no doubt that the Cuban cigar industry is not immune to "shenanigans" - would it surprise me to learn that if they ran out of a particular cigar on a run, let's say, that they might simply use the bands on other cigars? No. I would hope they wouldn't but I'd not be the least bit surprised. Anyway, I guess this is a discussion for another time.... 3
ewipper Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 No doubt - for me consistency (or lack thereof) is one of the banes of the Cuban cigar. But I also feel that Cuban cigars typically share more similarities than differences - blind tasting can be humbling. There is no doubt that the Cuban cigar industry is not immune to "shenanigans" - would it surprise me to learn that if they ran out of a particular cigar on a run, let's say, that they might simply use the bands on other cigars? No. I would hope they wouldn't but I'd not be the least bit surprised. Anyway, I guess this is a discussion for another time.... Nobody is going to like this, but according to a former roller turned noncuban cigar manufacturer (not pepin), tabacalera used to routinely order laguito no. 1s from vegueros factory, ship them to laguito and band them as cohibas.
Smallclub Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 Nobody is going to like this, I love it! That said I think you must be careful with what the cuban expats who work for the NC industry tell about the cuban factories… 1
Habanos2000 Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 There is no doubt that the Cuban cigar industry is not immune to "shenanigans" - would it surprise me to learn that if they ran out of a particular cigar on a run, let's say, that they might simply use the bands on other cigars? No. I would hope they wouldn't but I'd not be the least bit surprised. Colt's statement captures my thoughts exactly. While I don't believe that banding the same cigar differently is a common or encouraged practice, the claim that this happens frequently enough to be considered fraud is just too far fetched to be believable to me.
ewipper Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 I love it! That said I think you must be careful with what the cuban expats who work for the NC industry tell about the cuban factories… Isn't that just the point? Cuba is the capital of b.s. And you cant take the Cuba out of anyone. Triple fermentation, brand names, two year aged limited edition, gran reserva. Your only defense against Habanos corporate propaganda are your five senses. Everyone has to find a way that works for him or her to find good cigars. There are no shortcuts with cigars. And Americans have to put aside the cheap gene. Because one thing thats clear to me is that If you want to smoke good cigars you pay. 1
CaptainQuintero Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 Nobody is going to like this, but according to a former roller turned noncuban cigar manufacturer (not pepin), tabacalera used to routinely order laguito no. 1s from vegueros factory, ship them to laguito and band them as cohibas. I think this is the heart of the matter, bias is a huge factor with ex pats, for whatever reasons. There are crazy things said. There are stories of PCs in the bad years being shipped out with whatever band was available due to demand but I heard it was a one time run which when high ups heard it resulted in a recall and heads rolling. Like colt said, corruption will result in odd funny issues but imo the issues you mention with sir winnies and esplendidos is just the usual ex-pat silliness/ Miami psychosis It's from the same book as Cuba importing NC tobacco because 'they know it's better' :S
ewipper Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 I think this is the heart of the matter, bias is a huge factor with ex pats, for whatever reasons. There are crazy things said. There are stories of PCs in the bad years being shipped out with whatever band was available due to demand but I heard it was a one time run which when high ups heard it resulted in a recall and heads rolling. Like clot said, corruption will result in odd funny issues but imo the issues you mention with sir winnies and esplendidos is just the usual ex-pat silliness. It's from the same book as Cuba importing NC tobacco because 'they know it's better' :S Do you know what's funny? Thinking that a business run by politicians and caribbean corporate executives not subject to American judicial scrutiny would be scrupulous and straight forward with you when they prey and thrive on consumer ignorance and what you want to believe about what you're buying. Don't be a Cuban apologist. Expatriots have the same tactics. Theyre just on the other side.
CaptainQuintero Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 American judicial scrutiny Hey now I didn't think it was comedy hour already! But seriously, I can see there is no wiggle room on the issue for you, it's a bit strange to have the stance you have on a friends of habanos site though. 2
dafrey23 Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 Do you know what's funny? Thinking that a business run by politicians and caribbean corporate executives not subject to American judicial scrutiny would be scrupulous and straight forward with you when they prey and thrive on consumer ignorance and what you want to believe about what you're buying. Don't be a Cuban apologist. Expatriots have the same tactics. Theyre just on the other side. Since it's clear that you think the entire CC industry is corrupt, and you clearly hate the whole industry, then why are you here? Me, I come here to get peoples opinions on flavor profiles, find good deals on CCs, and generally have a good time. I don't consider conspiracy theories to be part of that. 1
Zigatoh Posted February 16, 2014 Posted February 16, 2014 Yes, let's think about this shall we, why is Eddie here? Pretty obvious I think. 2
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