SMQQKIN Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Regional Release - Spain Petit Corona Box of 25 I am a big fan of PLPCs and this regional is reasonably priced. Has anyone smoked these and if so what are your thoughts?
Troels Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 http://www.friendsofhabanos.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=117079&st=30#entry453243
SMQQKIN Posted January 23, 2014 Author Posted January 23, 2014 On 1/23/2014 at 4:07 PM, Troels said: http://www.friendsof...=30#entry453243 Thanks and I did see that thread.However, I couldn't find any commentary from anyone who has smoke one.
ramon_cojones Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 i really don't get the point of this cigar, is it different enough to warrant purchasing for so much more than plpc? i would never consider purchasing this when i can buy montecarlos and the recent plpc seems to taste better than all previous years iterations i've had how much of the demand is due to the second band? do people just want it because it's limited? or because it's new? i wish hsa would stop releasing stuff like this and concentrate on reviving classics but that's just a pipe dream unless enough people stop buying these new releases maybe then they'll get the hint 2
mgravito Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I agree. It seems from the few reviews I've read that these will need some down time. The PLPC are good ROTT and excellent in 3-5 years. I'd rather just spend my coin on a cab of PLPC and be done with it.
Troels Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Well, the regular cigars seems to be at their best atm, so I cant see any harm done in doing small batches in the re and le program
Zigatoh Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I've got plpc, montecarlos and panatelas, but this is a fantastic cigar in it's own right imo. And who's to say a demand for Pl res won't mean hsa at least consider adding to the standard Pl range? Plus the, also espana, Pl legendarios is one of the finest cigars I ever smoked, these were a no brainer for me.
Ryan Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Regarding the 'point' of these. These cigars are made by HSA/Altadis Spain for the Spanish market with the notion that most of the cigars will be bought and smoked by Spanish people. These are at least 20% less in price than the PLPC in Spain, with a box at less than 100 euro. One of the lowest prices anywhere at duty paid prices for a box of hand rolled cigars. It might help revive interest in the brand in Spain i.e. the point of the regional release program. If you think that the PLPC costs less than this cigar, remember, not at duty paid prices it's not.
Smallclub Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 On 1/23/2014 at 8:15 PM, Ryan said: Regarding the 'point' of these. […] Agreed. And the PLPC is not even a popular cigar in Spain, AFAIK…
ramon_cojones Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Is that really the purpose of the regional program? I'm not aware so pardon my ignorance. If the plpc is not popular, how does hsa introducing this cigar intend to increase its popularity, merely by price point? Kindly enlighten me. That doesn't explain why people in the states are scrambling for them, though.
Lotusguy Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I had one yesterday and liked it quite a bit ROTT. As for the reasons for buying them, I like PL and it's as close as it gets to a Minutos plus the price is more than reasonable - especially for an RE. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Jeremy Festa Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 On 1/23/2014 at 10:05 PM, ramon_cojones said: Is that really the purpose of the regional program? I'm not aware so pardon my ignorance. If the plpc is not popular, how does hsa introducing this cigar intend to increase its popularity, merely by price point? Kindly enlighten me. That doesn't explain why people in the states are scrambling for them, though. Yeah. Indeed. And there's no ignorance at all. It's a good question, and here's how I look at it. Actually, I think the points of the regional program are numerous, and various. Firstly, it is a marca's way of acknowledging a specific market/nationality/region/demographic etc. A little hat tip if you will, to say, "Hello there, ladies and gentlemen, we like what you represent, here is a little something special we knocked up especially for you. We hope you like it." Secondly, there are tremendous marketing opportunities that spin off from the first point. Thirdly, it provides a producer of a premium hand made product to be, at least, a little creative. Which is also interesting for them, and allows individuals, and the collective to enjoy a little bit of pride in the work they do and the product they create. (Please note, this point is a little utopian, and while it may apply to wine, craft beer, furniture, clothes, Ferraris etc, other people may disagree with this point when applied to cigars, and Cuban cigars at that). Fourthly, read Alawadi9's review here --> http://www.friendsofhabanos.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=117182&hl=lebanon This is a prime example of why the regional program exists. Great history and story behind the cigar. Everyone enjoys a story. Fifthly, the supply and demand law. It appeals to collectors and connoisseurs alike, as they are usually limited and different. The fifth point is probably why people in the States are scrambling for them. Either something different to smoke. Or something collectable. 1
Smallclub Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 … or, simply, Altadis Spain needed a cheap but premium TPC sized cigar, for a country where more than 26% of the population is unemployed… 1
oliverdst Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 On 1/23/2014 at 11:42 PM, Smallclub said: … or, simply, Altadis Spain needed a cheap but premium TPC sized cigar, for a country where more than 26% of the population is unemployed… Unemployed people do not buy RE. As a matter of fact unemployed people cut every non-essential product. They have to.
Jeremy Festa Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 On 1/23/2014 at 11:42 PM, Smallclub said: … or, simply, Altadis Spain needed a cheap but premium TPC sized cigar, for a country where more than 26% of the population is unemployed… Exactly. First point, "it is a marca's way of acknowledging a specific market/nationality/region/demographic etc."
Jeremy Festa Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 On 1/23/2014 at 11:47 PM, oliverdst said: Unemployed people do not buy RE. As a matter of fact unemployed people cut every non-essential product. They have to. Completely true. But when considering what cigar to produce for a region with a struggling economy, it wasn't going to be a Churchill.
Smallclub Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 On 1/23/2014 at 11:47 PM, oliverdst said: Unemployed people do not buy RE. As a matter of fact unemployed people cut every non-essential product. They have to. No kidding? And what about the equation: "more people unemployed, less customers for cigars"?
Jeremy Festa Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 On 1/24/2014 at 12:00 AM, Smallclub said: No kidding? And what about the equation: "more people unemployed, less customers for cigars"? It's sort of ignored since the population of Spain is almost 50 million, and only 5000 boxes (I would think) would be produced. That equation means 1 in 10,000 people would have to buy one box. I would think however, at that price point, including all the tourists, and purchasers overseas, that only 1 in 100,000 people in Spain would have to buy a box for this exercise to be a raging success.
Jeremy Festa Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 On 1/23/2014 at 11:40 AM, Drapatrissor said: In Barcelona at the moment.. Picked up some boxes: Boli "108" from 2010 Boli Gold Medal from 2008 And the PL Secretos Smoking one a secreto ROTT right now actually.. A bit young, peppery, perfect draw and burn, got a bit rough at the end. On 1/24/2014 at 12:00 AM, Bartolomeo said: Nice score! Box code on PL Secretos? Tks! On 1/24/2014 at 12:00 AM, Smallclub said: No kidding? And what about the equation: "more people unemployed, less customers for cigars"? And the rest is history. 1
oliverdst Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 On 1/24/2014 at 12:00 AM, Smallclub said: No kidding? And what about the equation: "more people unemployed, less customers for cigars"? Every time you can you answer me with sarcasm. How old are you?
oliverdst Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 On 1/24/2014 at 12:11 AM, Jerocco said: It's sort of ignored since the population of Spain is almost 50 million, and only 5000 boxes (I would think) would be produced. That equation means 1 in 10,000 people would have to buy one box. I would think however, at that price point, including all the tourists, and purchasers overseas, that only 1 in 100,000 people in Spain would have to buy a box for this exercise to be a raging success. I am sure the math it's not as simple as that.
Jeremy Festa Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 On 1/24/2014 at 12:19 AM, oliverdst said: I am sure the math it's not as simple as that. It really is.
Jeremy Festa Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 On 1/24/2014 at 12:14 AM, oliverdst said: Every time you can you answer me with sarcasm. How old are you? Chin up buddy. Some people are fishers, and some people are biters. Don't bite. It encourages the fishers.
oliverdst Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 On 1/24/2014 at 12:20 AM, Jerocco said: Chin up buddy. Some people are fishers, and some people are biters. Don't bite. It encourages the fishers. Oui oui.
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