Has anyone else had a similar experience

[OZCUBAN]

This started out as a reply to one of Ken's threads ,but then I thought this deserves it's own thread ,and due to the fact I was still pissed about the whole incident

Hi all

As an after thought to this story ,last night I met up with Dicko from the forum ,had a great time ,discussed all things Cigars and more(more of a cell leaders meeting )

The Cigars were excellent as was the company with some of my friends also present,in a pub we often frequent ,and one where 90% of the time I enjoy a cigar with a Guiness and no problems ,about half way through our Cigars the Bouncer comes out the back part of the pub where it is permitted to smoke ,and says who's smoking cigars they smell like **** ,some in the front bar has complained ,and he was shutting the door to a passage way which connects this back part to the front ,main bar.

This back part is not much more than a brick shed with fly screen near the top for ventilation ,and then a roof ( loop hole for smoking laws here,similar to the RA bar in Melbourne ,but a lot less classy and i mean a lot less .

I thought to my self this is a smoking area and I am smoking a legal ( at this point in time ) product

We left not long after that I thought

Come on Perth wake up to yourselves

And so concludes my ***** session

Cheers OZ

[Colt45]

Steve, on your way out I hope you let management / ownership know why you were leaving and why you won't be giving them any more

of your business. I imagine the Cigar Freedom Fighters could come up with a list of friendly establishmenets. And antis as well.

[NMJoe]

It drives me crazy that others want to push their morality down my throat, even when I'm following the law.

If I don't like what a movie has to say, I don't go see it. If I am against drinking alcohol (I happen to like my cocktails), I don't walk into a bar. If I'm against smoking, I don't go into an establishment that legally allows it. I just don't get it. I don't.

And let's not get me started on the government's need to tell us all what is good for us and what is not, and then to give us a healthy dose of "you can no longer do that, legally. I'm living that dream in the US right now.

Back on topic, I totally agree with Colt, inform management of your displeasure with the customer service "experience" you received and that you will find a new smoking/watering hole to remove money from your wallet. Speak out verbally and with your jack.

Joe

[OZCUBAN]

Steve, on your way out I hope you let management / ownership know why you were leaving and why you won't be giving them any more

of your business. I imagine the Cigar Freedom Fighters could come up with a list of friendly establishmenets. And antis as well.

Don't worry Ross words were exchanged to for and against dossier is being drawn up ,unfortunately the cons could out way the pros sign of the times especially over here ,but we will go down fighting ,as the late Charlton Heston said of the anti gun lobby "out of my cold dead hand"

Long live the Fighters

OZ

[OZCUBAN]

It drives me crazy that others want to push their morality down my throat, even when I'm following the law.

If I don't like what a movie has to say, I don't go see it. If I am against drinking alcohol (I happen to like my cocktails), I don't walk into a bar. If I'm against smoking, I don't go into an establishment that legally allows it. I just don't get it. I don't.

And let's not get me started on the government's need to tell us all what is good for us and what is not, and then to give us a healthy dose of "you can no longer do that, legally. I'm living that dream in the US right now.

Back on topic, I totally agree with Colt, inform management of your displeasure with the customer service "experience" you received and that you will find a new smoking/watering hole to remove money from your wallet. Speak out verbally and with your jack.

Joe

Thanks Joe

I think Robs really on the money with this underground network especially here in OZ ,but as a group Internationaly we need to stand up as a united front and say enough is enough ,if offends some people so be it DON'T SIT IN THE SMOKING SECTION ,but more than that we should be allowed to create our own places ,that cater to our needs IE cigar lounges or similar ,if you don't like Cigars do not enter

Thanks for your morale support

Cheers OZ

[dicko]

It looks like the future will be going down the secluded clubs path. It's a shame though, because cigars are already viewed (incorrectly at least for hobbyists/enthusiasts) as exclusive. I want to see the melbourne bars

[riazp]

This has happened to me as well, i was at an irish pub in downtown montreal, enjoying a guiness and a cigar in there courtyard in the back of the building where everyone was smoking cigarettes...so I light up a party short as i recall, and not 10 mins in the cigar I have the waitress coming to see me asking me if I could put out my cigar as the smell was bothering the patrons...I wanted to start a ***** fest about how cigarette odor bothers me and yaddy yaddy yadda...but instead i simply said fine, of the people complaining, if they are willing to pay for my bar tab, i'll put out my cigar.

Strangly enough, no one was willing to put their money where their mouth was...but this really ruined the cigar for me as i was no longer enjoying it, paid for my drink, did not leave one penny for tip, and left.

Its sad that this has to happen. Oh well.

[canadianbeaver]

Devil's advocate here. Let's say this was your bar. Cigarettes and cigars definitely smell different. Folks complain about the smell. You have a full bar and they start to complain. The bouncer is a neanderthal *******... that is why he is a bouncer after all.

He did not ask you to leave, he closed the door. Yes the conditions are not great. So find a place that suits your needs better.

Here in Toronto there is NO SUCH PLACE. And I love smoking cigars...

As I said, don't disagree with you friend, just looking at it from another side.

Lisa

[Ryan]

When a few of here started meeting up once a month or so, we went to a place called George's Bistro. Very comfortable covered, heated smoking area, they sold and still sell cigars there from a cabinet humidor, all good.

After 3 or 4 meets there, no more than 5 ot 6 of us at a time, a sign went up in their smoking area "No Cigars". So that was that, no point arguing with them.

Shame, we only went there on quiet nights, tuesday or wednesday, often we were the only ones in the smoking area, and there is a door between it and the inside dining room but somebody must have complained at some point about cigar smoke getting in. There are more and more decent smoking areas opening up here though, so at least we have a choice.

[mazolaman]

While I don't smoke cigarettes, and I do understand the health implications of smoking, I do personally feel that the smoking ban in the uk has stepped over the mark into infringing personal rites.

Anyway, the posted topic reminded me of a scene in the great film "In Bruges".

Shown here in two sections....Strong Language......

[Colt45]

He did not ask you to leave, he closed the door.

Had he simply closed the door without the commentary, I'd agree. But as staff, he represents the establishment, which at this point,

still allows cigar smoking in the smoking area.

So if it were my bar, I'd be pissed that the government was trying to take away my rights as far as whether or not I allow smoking in

my own bar. Were it my bar, I'd explain to any patron who asked that I allow smoking in my own bar.....

[Habanos2000]

All the reason more to patronize cigar-friendly establishments and let the ones that discriminate against us know that they won't be getting our business.

[mazolaman]

All the reason more to patronize cigar-friendly establishments and let the ones that discriminate against us know that they won't be getting our business.

The problem for many of us is, for example in London, there aren't any options, other than a few high end hotels, where it s prohibitively expensive.

The cool places to have a Havana are gone.

[Habanos2000]

The problem for many of us is, for example in London, there aren't any options, other than a few high end hotels, where it s prohibitively expensive.

The cool places to have a Havana are gone.

Agreed, it's the same situation here in the States. What a shame that the enjoyment of a legal product is so limited in so many places.

[Habanos2000]

I dont get what the fuss is about. Cigar smoke is heavy an uncomfortable for many people to be around. Too many people have very selfish attitudes on both sides of this debate. How about caring for your fellow man/woman?

Take this example; sitting on a bus, you open your window because you are warm. The person behind you politely asks if you could kindly close the window because he/she is cold. Do you tell them to F off, or do you close the window? If my cigar is bothering somebody, I get up and move. Simple as that. It is common courtesy to do so and incredibly selfish and arrogant to not.

I see your analogy in a different light. Say there were some buses that allowed paying passengers to open windows and others that didn't. You can choose which bus to ride. You choose the "open window" bus and someone that doesn't like open windows sits behind you and kindly asks you to close the window. You certainly have the option to close the window, should you so choose, but you shouldn't have to because you're on a bus with an open window policy.

Common courtesy can go both ways.

[Hubba]

I agree that if the rule is your allowed to smoke (or open a window) than you are more than allowed to do either. All I am saying is that there is a certain politeness and courtesy that has dissapeared. From both sides of the debate for sure.

I agree with both of Shlomo's points....I find it sad that politeness and courtesy has gone out the window and we live in a society of the perpetually offended.

[Styler]

I think the offence comes from the (perceived) feeling of persecution. Persecution for a simple and perfectly legal pleasure. I've got no problem at all with the fact that some people dislike/are effected by second hand smoke. If someone politely asks me to enjoy my cigar a little further away from them then I will oblige with a smile on my face. I do however have a problem when people act like I'm strangling kittens in front of them, as if I'm offending them to the very core. I've got even less time for cigarette smokers complaining about cigar smoke, that's like saying the smell of my steak is stopping them enjoying their McDonalds.

[Guest rob]

The year is 2012... and I'm ashamed for our level of "progress" in the Western civilized world.

Things that were illegal 50 years ago (or frowned upon) are now legal and acceptable - skimpy clothing on beaches and public, pornography, bad language on television or in music,.... the list goes on

But things that were, and still are legal are severely frowned upon and people who engage in those pursuits legally are treated as outcasts and with contempt.

It's embarrassing when in some situations our free countries have less freedoms than the non free ones.

[danistalking]

Speaking from someone living in a "Smoke Free Ontario". I agree with some of the smoke free areas but disagree that certain private establishments HAVE to be smoke free (ie. cigar shops).

I think cigarette smokers should not have and have nothing to say against being around cigar smoke. There are a lot of things that I hate being around in life but I either let it go or remove myself from the situation. If I'm outside on a patio that is for smokers, I expect to be around smokers, cigs or cigars alike.

I agree with Styler's thoughts. There just isn't any class anymore. People are way too self absorbed, but you really can't blame them as they're just products of their environment/today's society.

[OZCUBAN]

The year is 2012... and I'm ashamed for our level of "progress" in the Western civilized world.

Things that were illegal 50 years ago (or frowned upon) are now legal and acceptable - skimpy clothing on beaches and public, pornography, bad language on television or in music,.... the list goes on

But things that were, and still are legal are severely frowned upon and people who engage in those pursuits legally are treated as outcasts and with contempt.

It's embarrassing when in some situations our free countries have less freedoms than the non free ones.

Well spoken Rob and so true

[LeafLover]

Dunno why people think that cigar smoke smells. I think it is more aromatic than cigarette smoke.

Stupid thing why governments try to kill cigar/cigarette smoking in establishments.

Where's the logic?

You can't smoke in establishments? Not even in drinking establishments because of the health risks it poses to other people? Yet, you give patrons things to drink that they consume and potentially drive their car into other people/cars on the street killing them? Going home loaded and beating up whoever looks at you wrong, including your wife?

Never heard any behavior like that from people smoking 10 cigarettes or 5 cigars a night.

[CaptainQuintero]

They think it smells bad because they are told it smells bad. When you're a baby poop is just another smell, it's not repulsive whatsoever. It only makes your stomach turn and smell bad after you have been constantly told it's dirty and mucky by people in power i.e your parents.

[CaptainQuintero]

I dont know if this post was sarcastic, but it is simply wrong. Smells are part of natural evilution of our species and we are born with different reactions to smells and tastes. They are, for the most part, NOT learned, rather they are innate characteristics and abilities.

Not what I was taught, I'm assuming the curriculum changed since you left school.

oder assoicative learning

[asmith]

I love being told that my cigar is stinking the place up.

If I am sitting in the designated outdoor smoking area, as is required by law, and then told to put it out because people are complaining I make sure that I call a mate to join me and then light up another just to piss them right off. The one I love the best is when someone who isn't smoking at all, but is sitting in the smokers area complains, that's just too easy for me then.

[BobKincaid]

This is never an easy issue and were there any non-smokers about, I'm sure the rafters would be bouncing with their objections.

Still: it is worth realizing that if it was London c. 2012 in 1940, the city would have to surrender to the Blitz, as Sir Winston wouldn't be allowed to light a cigar at Downing Street.

Here in the U.S., the South might well prevail because Gen. Grant, an inveterate cigar smoker, couldn't be tolerated leading the Union Army.

Mr. Twain would be sent packing from any restaurant in NYC or the San Francisco of his earlier years. His home state of Missouri would send him packing, too.

Over in Hitler's bunker, however, all would be well for the 3rd Reich. After all, Hitler despised smoking.

Meanwhile, we could all light up without a care in the world in Afghanistan (except, I'm sure, the parts the U.S. controls) and smoke merrily away while some woman was whipped within an inch of her life for baring an ankle.

I just got back from Washington, D.C. There are a tiny handful of cigar bars there. The one I was nearest charged $20 to walk through the door and light up. Know what? I paid it. And tipped my bartender with a good smoke. He was grateful and acted accordingly.