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Toro, 46-59 RG? That seems like a wide range. Personally I don’t really look at NW vitola names. They just get way too confusing, but I don’t think I would consider anything under 50RG or over 56RG a Toro. 

I do not love the Toro size, but I can see the allure. I feel like many NWs blends do well with the Toro size and provide a good smoking time. I've smoked too many NW Robustos that just burn way too quick, 35-40 minutes and Im down to the band. I have never smoke Grande and most likely never will so I cannot chime on there.

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A cigar ranging from 46-59 rg and 5.5 inches to 6.5 inches beats any other single sized cigar. You don't say! What a stupid article. That's like pointing out that there are more people aged 20-40 than 40 to 50. I guess anything to write an article.

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Sure with that definition of Toro, I’m not surprised at all. At first I was going to say 46-59rg by 5.5-6.5 covers about 10 vitolas, but I just went on Cubancigarwebsite.com and 63(!!) actually fit within that range. Sure, some are obscure, but still there’s probably a dozen common vitolas. 

Cigar Insider is overstating if that’s the way “toro” is defined. Would be better off just saying “big cigars” are better sellers…which would surprise precisely nobody. But I guess they gotta create suspense to get clicks. 

Regardless, I think the interpretation here of what it may signal is the more interesting topic. To me it means maybe the number of cigar smokers is increasing - with formats that big, I don’t see this as a signal that the same cigar smokers are smoking more (who has enough time in the day for more toros??). So I’d be surprised to see any data showing cigar smokers are smoking more…I would think if this were true you’d see more smaller formats dominating because they’re more suited to more regular consumption. The alternative possibility could simply be that hoarding is on the rise. Either way it would be interesting to see some data on cigar smokers vs cigars smoked. 

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New Worlds never come in anything smaller than a 46 rg. Is that because the market doesn't want them or because they're not around to be had? I think it's because New Worlds are pepper and leather spice bombs and going smaller in ring means more of a punch to the face with harsh flavors. Cubans, have such subtle and smooth flavors, you can go down to a panetela without getting too harsh.

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3 hours ago, yuppie said:

New Worlds never come in anything smaller than a 46 rg. Is that because the market doesn't want them or because they're not around to be had? I think it's because New Worlds are pepper and leather spice bombs and going smaller in ring means more of a punch to the face with harsh flavors. Cubans, have such subtle and smooth flavors, you can go down to a panetela without getting too harsh.

For New Worlds there are hundreds and hundreds of companies, with thousands of brands and another layer of vitola variations on top of that. Some companies release more traditional vitolas and others don't.  It's going to vary quite widely.

Some New Worlds are pepper and leather spice bombs, most are not. A Black Label Trading Company Bishop's Blend is on the opposite spectrum of the flavor wheel from an JRE Aladino Cameroon. Changing the ring gauge size is definitely going to have an impact, but it hasn't been my experience that it would make a non-peppery cigar peppery.

I believe the primary driver behind the large ring gauge trend in the US is price and value proposition along with a lack of customer education.

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3 hours ago, Cigar Surgeon said:

I believe the primary driver behind the large ring gauge trend in the US is price and value proposition along with a lack of customer education.

What is the customer education you find lacking?

I find myself enjoying cigars mentioned within the sizes described in the article. Labeling them a “Toro” is very generic, but more apropos that I think we are willing to be honest about. Tim Ozgerner (ex-CAO, current Oz Family Cigars) was firm when he started his new company about having a particular size - a 5 1/2x55 - in all the lines. In most lines, it the letter+55, but it is a “double Robusto” in the Karatoba line. I find it to be a nice size that allows for a good smoke. I’m not looking for the quick smoke, as I’ve mentioned before that I’m about the experience first and foremost, and it seems to me cigars in this stated size allow for such.

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Which of those knowledge bases would make someone switch from a larger to a thinner ring guage? Asking legitimately here, not just pot stirring. It’s not rocket science to know a smaller RG will be a shorter smoke than a larger RG. I started off smoking smaller cigars more than thirty years ago and progressed to what I like now. A Ninfa sized cigar provides me with a good morning smoke occasionally, but it would never be anything I would reach for given a choice.

You can educate me on peaty scotch, but I’m not going to actually know whether that’s my thing or not unless I try it.

I think “educators” need to stop BSing customers about what cigars actually are; telling a newb that a cigar tastes like brioche is setting that person up for failure, especially when it’s probable they don’t even know how to spell the word.

Rather, “educators” need to find out why a given person wants to smoke cigars. Education can go on from that point but I feel like we’re simply missing the most basic of jumping off points and then further clouding it with ‘facts’ that may or not be correct, all in the name of “education.” I’m all for sharing my knowledge gained over a s-ton of years smoking cigars, but I’m more about letting “X” become their own smoker, not the one my education leads them to be. It’s uncountable how many times I’ve heard high nicotine content somehow takes away from a cigar; “You miss out on the flavors” or other assorted odd things. I know what I like exactly because I spent years figuring it out. Telling some newb in a cigar store that it takes longer to smoke a Gordo than it does a Corona is just going to make him inwardly wonder why you think he’s a smuck. 

What’s good for the goose often turns out to not be good for the gander. Just my opinion of course. 🙂

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That narrows it down. 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

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Imagine starting a cigar brand that every size needs a something by 55 gauge - in all lines. 

Gross. 

 

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6 hours ago, Hammer Smokin' said:

Imagine starting a cigar brand that every size needs a something by 55 gauge - in all lines. 

Gross. 

This is, of course, is exactly why I wrote above that “educating” the budding cigar smoker is wonky. I’d posit Tim Ozgener is doing pretty good in the cigar business and while a 55 rg cigar in all his lines may seem “gross” to those unaffiliated with his company, he has his reason…

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTjGnLSDSIc/?igsh=MWs0ODh5N2tweW93bg==

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On 2/24/2026 at 8:23 AM, MrBirdman said:

I do also think there is a rather juvenile, peculiarly American-male element to the large ring gauges. Super thick cigars are frequently sold with “hyper-masculine”, even animalistic marketing to flatter the apparent need of some straight American men to connect with their primordial instincts or some such nonsense.

One thing I quickly realized after embarking on this wonderful journey almost two decades ago…the cigar community is comprised of way more Gilligan than Clint Eastwood types.

If smoking a cigar with a large ring gauge and a skull on the band helps a poor bloke land Mary Ann, I mean. 🤣

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34 minutes ago, Çnote said:

I feel attacked 😂 😆 

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I believe you have been...but only if you didn't land MaryAnn.  😁

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Wow. I expected to the see the trend move in the opposite direction with more PC's weighting down the retail metrics than Toros. Maybe people are realizing they have more time than they thought. Either way...this is great news and an excellent post. Thanks @JohnS.

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7 hours ago, StoagieSnape said:

Wow. I expected to the see the trend move in the opposite direction with more PC's weighting down the retail metrics than Toros. Maybe people are realizing they have more time than they thought. Either way...this is great news and an excellent post. Thanks @JohnS.

Supposedly this is due more to the US Federal tobacco tax being per unit than by weight, so bigger cigars are incrementally less expensive on a laid in basis when counting cost of inventory. It's not new, the Davidoff rep 10 years ago said his #1 seller was Avo #2, a toro, when I would have thought Davidoff #2 or GC#3. America likes it big and cheap. 😄 

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