Nevrknow Posted June 7 Posted June 7 Now THAT was awesome! Thank you @Ken Gargett. Even as someone who hasn't in the past enjoyed riesling, I shall head out tomorrow and explore. Thanks again. 1
Habanoschris Posted June 7 Posted June 7 On 6/6/2025 at 5:56 AM, Ken Gargett said: i have a question. do i get a mute button? Expand Bravo Ken 👏 learned a lot and what a way to enjoy a glass of wine & a cigar. Thank you. I had been wondering about the screw top vs cork. Been seeing them more often on better bottles of wine - “Screw the Cork!” 1
Fuzz Posted June 7 Posted June 7 Thanks Ken and Rob for the masterclass. Was very enjoyable and a great learning experience. 1
El Presidente Posted June 7 Author Posted June 7 What a hoot Ken magnificent. What a depth of knowledge. Next one (would be a masterclass in) cheese/wine/cigars. 2
Popular Post ha_banos Posted June 7 Popular Post Posted June 7 I feel like I missed out. So I went on a research tip. And now I feel like I was there 😁 Is this how it went? Imagine sitting down at a private tasting with Ken Gargett, whose passion for Riesling and Cuban cigars would make for a memorable evening. Here’s how such a session might unfold, blending deep wine insight, cigar pairing wisdom, and a dash of Ken’s signature humor and storytelling. ## The Riesling Deep Dive **Overview:** Ken would start by explaining how Riesling is often underrated, especially in Australia, despite its ability to produce exceptional, age-worthy wines[6]. He’d highlight the variety’s versatility, from bone-dry to lusciously sweet, and its unique ability to reflect terroir. **Regions and Styles:** - **Germany:** He’d mention top producers like Dönnhoff, Gunderloch, and Heymann-Löwenstein, praising their dry (Trocken) Rieslings for their minerality, slate notes, grapefruit, and incredible length[2]. - **Australia:** He’d spotlight regions like Clare Valley, Eden Valley, and Frankland River, noting their pristine, citrus-driven, and often steely Rieslings[3][6]. He might mention friends like Neil Pike (of Pike & Joyce, now Limefinger) and their seamless transition between generations, or the Swinney family for their “wine of joy and quality”[4][3]. - **Other Cool Climates:** He’d discuss the rise of cooler sites in Adelaide Hills, Tasmania, and even New Zealand, linking these to the Mosel and Rhine for their delicate, lower-alcohol, high-acid styles[6]. **Tasting Notes and Evolution:** Ken would pour a range, perhaps starting with a young, vibrant Swinney Riesling—lemon, lime leaf, wet stone, and a chalky, dry finish—then moving to a more mature German GG, revealing peach, cumquat, and a hint of Iced VoVo (an Aussie biscuit he’d joke about, saying it’s a secret ingredient)[2][3]. He’d encourage swirling, sniffing, and letting the wines open up, noting how they evolve in the glass. ## Cigar Pairing Recommendations Ken, a Cuban cigar aficionado, would match Rieslings with cigars based on their style: | Riesling Style | Cigar Recommendation | Notes | |-------------------------------|-------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Young, Dry, Citrusy | H. Upmann Magnum 46 | Fresh, zesty Riesling pairs with a medium-bodied, creamy cigar. | | Mineral, Slate, Dry | Partagás Serie D No. 4 | Bold minerality meets the spice and earth of a classic Partagás. | | Off-Dry, Stonefruit, Honeyed | Cohiba Siglo II | Rich, slightly sweet Riesling complements the smooth, nutty Cohiba. | | Aged, Complex, Toasty | Montecristo No. 2 | Mature Riesling with toast and nuts finds harmony with this legend. | Ken might joke, “If the Riesling’s got more acid than a lemon battery, you want a cigar with enough backbone to stand up to it!” ## Stories, Jokes, and Anecdotes - **On Aussie Riesling:** “Riesling’s the quiet achiever—like the bloke at the pub who turns out to be a rocket scientist. Everyone’s surprised when they taste it!”[6] - **On Friends in the Industry:** He’d mention Neil Pike (“Pikey”) and his recent return to winemaking with Limefinger, or the Swinney family for their Frankland River gems. “Pikey’s supposed to be retired, but you can’t keep a good winemaker down!”[4] - **On Cigars:** “A good cigar is like a great Riesling—complex, evolving, and best enjoyed with good company and plenty of time.” - **On Wine Critics:** “I once gave a wine 100 points and my editor said, ‘Are you sure you didn’t spill some on your notes?’” ## Ken’s Favourite Riesling Ken has praised many Rieslings, but he’s given top marks to the 2022 Penfolds Riesling, calling it “a glorious Riesling… a truly magnificent wine, on its way to becoming a legend. My wine of the year. 100.”[1] However, he’s also a huge fan of German dry Rieslings like Gunderloch Rothenberg GG, which he’s scored 97 and described as “pristine, pure and with great focus… a wonderful wine.”[2] ## What Else Might the Tasting Include? - **Food Pairings:** Oysters, smoked salmon, or a simple cheese platter to highlight the wine’s acidity and minerality. - **Discussion on Ageing:** Ken would talk about how Riesling can age gracefully for decades, developing toasty, honeyed notes. - **Industry Trends:** He’d discuss the “Riesling Revival,” lower alcohol trends, and the influence of cooler climates[6]. - **Personal Cellar Stories:** He’d share tales of aged bottles and memorable tastings, perhaps recalling a legendary Krug champagne or a rare vintage cigar[5]. ## Closing Ken would leave you with a glass in hand, a cigar lit, and a new appreciation for Riesling’s depth and versatility. “Remember,” he’d say, “the best wine is the one you enjoy with good friends—and a great cigar never hurts!” 2 2 1
Popular Post Fuzz Posted June 7 Popular Post Posted June 7 Close. You left out the bit where Rob and Ken were bickering like an old married couple. 3 1 1
Chas.Alpha Posted June 7 Posted June 7 On 6/7/2025 at 3:38 PM, Fuzz said: Close. You left out the bit where Rob and Ken were bickering like an old married couple. Expand That’s always the best part. It’s like watching Laurel & Hardy, with cigars! 2
ha_banos Posted June 7 Posted June 7 On 6/7/2025 at 3:38 PM, Fuzz said: Close. You left out the bit where Rob and Ken were bickering like an old married couple. Expand I'll include that in the prompt for the next one! 👍🏼 2 1
MrBirdman Posted June 8 Posted June 8 Fantastic masterclass - I can’t believe I’ve never tried this pairing before. Other than champagne, I had not found a table wine that pairs well on my palate. Now, an off-dry to off-dry+ Riesling will be one of my go-to’s. Mosel Riesling is one of the great values in wine, especially if you have the ability to cellar it for a few years. Big thanks to @Ken Gargett for his unparalleled knowledge (and anecdotes) as well as to @El Presidente for organizing. Looking forward to the next class! I love Rob’s suggestion of doing fortified wine - it is one of my favorite options for cigar pairings, especially after a good meal. 1
ha_banos Posted June 8 Posted June 8 On 6/8/2025 at 10:25 PM, MrBirdman said: Fantastic masterclass - I can’t believe I’ve never tried this pairing before. Other than champagne, I had not found a table wine that pairs well on my palate. Now, an off-dry to off-dry+ Riesling will be one of my go-to’s. Mosel Riesling is one of the great values in wine, especially if you have the ability to cellar it for a few years. Big thanks to @Ken Gargett for his unparalleled knowledge (and anecdotes) as well as to @El Presidente for organizing. Looking forward to the next class! I love Rob’s suggestion of doing fortified wine - it is one of my favorite options for cigar pairings, especially after a good meal. Expand Flashback! MD 2020 1
MrBirdman Posted June 8 Posted June 8 On 6/8/2025 at 10:37 PM, ha_banos said: Flashback! MD 2020 Expand Fortunately I’ve never tried pairing cigars with mouthwash — which is the only liquid that color that should ever go in your mouth! 1
Chas.Alpha Posted June 8 Posted June 8 I purposely skipped bottles that had screw caps in favor of corked bottles. I assumed the use of screw caps indicated a cheaper, inferior wine. I didn’t want my FOH brethren to make fun of me…😔 1
El Presidente Posted June 9 Author Posted June 9 On 6/8/2025 at 11:15 PM, Chas.Alpha said: I didn’t want my FOH brethren to make fun of me…😔 Expand ....as if that would ever occur
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