MrBirdman Posted June 7, 2025 Posted June 7, 2025 Hey might be able to make it after all, be a little late.
Nevrknow Posted June 7, 2025 Posted June 7, 2025 Now THAT was awesome! Thank you @Ken Gargett. Even as someone who hasn't in the past enjoyed riesling, I shall head out tomorrow and explore. Thanks again. 1
Habanoschris Posted June 7, 2025 Posted June 7, 2025 On 6/6/2025 at 3:56 PM, Ken Gargett said: i have a question. do i get a mute button? Bravo Ken 👏 learned a lot and what a way to enjoy a glass of wine & a cigar. Thank you. I had been wondering about the screw top vs cork. Been seeing them more often on better bottles of wine - “Screw the Cork!” 1
Fuzz AI Posted June 7, 2025 Posted June 7, 2025 Thanks Ken and Rob for the masterclass. Was very enjoyable and a great learning experience. 1
El Presidente Posted June 7, 2025 Author Posted June 7, 2025 What a hoot Ken magnificent. What a depth of knowledge. Next one (would be a masterclass in) cheese/wine/cigars. 2
loose_axle Posted June 7, 2025 Posted June 7, 2025 Thank you very much Ken and Rob, it was brilliant! 1
Popular Post ha_banos Posted June 7, 2025 Popular Post Posted June 7, 2025 I feel like I missed out. So I went on a research tip. And now I feel like I was there 😁 Is this how it went? Imagine sitting down at a private tasting with Ken Gargett, whose passion for Riesling and Cuban cigars would make for a memorable evening. Here’s how such a session might unfold, blending deep wine insight, cigar pairing wisdom, and a dash of Ken’s signature humor and storytelling. ## The Riesling Deep Dive **Overview:** Ken would start by explaining how Riesling is often underrated, especially in Australia, despite its ability to produce exceptional, age-worthy wines[6]. He’d highlight the variety’s versatility, from bone-dry to lusciously sweet, and its unique ability to reflect terroir. **Regions and Styles:** - **Germany:** He’d mention top producers like Dönnhoff, Gunderloch, and Heymann-Löwenstein, praising their dry (Trocken) Rieslings for their minerality, slate notes, grapefruit, and incredible length[2]. - **Australia:** He’d spotlight regions like Clare Valley, Eden Valley, and Frankland River, noting their pristine, citrus-driven, and often steely Rieslings[3][6]. He might mention friends like Neil Pike (of Pike & Joyce, now Limefinger) and their seamless transition between generations, or the Swinney family for their “wine of joy and quality”[4][3]. - **Other Cool Climates:** He’d discuss the rise of cooler sites in Adelaide Hills, Tasmania, and even New Zealand, linking these to the Mosel and Rhine for their delicate, lower-alcohol, high-acid styles[6]. **Tasting Notes and Evolution:** Ken would pour a range, perhaps starting with a young, vibrant Swinney Riesling—lemon, lime leaf, wet stone, and a chalky, dry finish—then moving to a more mature German GG, revealing peach, cumquat, and a hint of Iced VoVo (an Aussie biscuit he’d joke about, saying it’s a secret ingredient)[2][3]. He’d encourage swirling, sniffing, and letting the wines open up, noting how they evolve in the glass. ## Cigar Pairing Recommendations Ken, a Cuban cigar aficionado, would match Rieslings with cigars based on their style: | Riesling Style | Cigar Recommendation | Notes | |-------------------------------|-------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Young, Dry, Citrusy | H. Upmann Magnum 46 | Fresh, zesty Riesling pairs with a medium-bodied, creamy cigar. | | Mineral, Slate, Dry | Partagás Serie D No. 4 | Bold minerality meets the spice and earth of a classic Partagás. | | Off-Dry, Stonefruit, Honeyed | Cohiba Siglo II | Rich, slightly sweet Riesling complements the smooth, nutty Cohiba. | | Aged, Complex, Toasty | Montecristo No. 2 | Mature Riesling with toast and nuts finds harmony with this legend. | Ken might joke, “If the Riesling’s got more acid than a lemon battery, you want a cigar with enough backbone to stand up to it!” ## Stories, Jokes, and Anecdotes - **On Aussie Riesling:** “Riesling’s the quiet achiever—like the bloke at the pub who turns out to be a rocket scientist. Everyone’s surprised when they taste it!”[6] - **On Friends in the Industry:** He’d mention Neil Pike (“Pikey”) and his recent return to winemaking with Limefinger, or the Swinney family for their Frankland River gems. “Pikey’s supposed to be retired, but you can’t keep a good winemaker down!”[4] - **On Cigars:** “A good cigar is like a great Riesling—complex, evolving, and best enjoyed with good company and plenty of time.” - **On Wine Critics:** “I once gave a wine 100 points and my editor said, ‘Are you sure you didn’t spill some on your notes?’” ## Ken’s Favourite Riesling Ken has praised many Rieslings, but he’s given top marks to the 2022 Penfolds Riesling, calling it “a glorious Riesling… a truly magnificent wine, on its way to becoming a legend. My wine of the year. 100.”[1] However, he’s also a huge fan of German dry Rieslings like Gunderloch Rothenberg GG, which he’s scored 97 and described as “pristine, pure and with great focus… a wonderful wine.”[2] ## What Else Might the Tasting Include? - **Food Pairings:** Oysters, smoked salmon, or a simple cheese platter to highlight the wine’s acidity and minerality. - **Discussion on Ageing:** Ken would talk about how Riesling can age gracefully for decades, developing toasty, honeyed notes. - **Industry Trends:** He’d discuss the “Riesling Revival,” lower alcohol trends, and the influence of cooler climates[6]. - **Personal Cellar Stories:** He’d share tales of aged bottles and memorable tastings, perhaps recalling a legendary Krug champagne or a rare vintage cigar[5]. ## Closing Ken would leave you with a glass in hand, a cigar lit, and a new appreciation for Riesling’s depth and versatility. “Remember,” he’d say, “the best wine is the one you enjoy with good friends—and a great cigar never hurts!” 2 2 1
Popular Post Fuzz AI Posted June 7, 2025 Popular Post Posted June 7, 2025 Close. You left out the bit where Rob and Ken were bickering like an old married couple. 3 1 1
Chas.Alpha Posted June 7, 2025 Posted June 7, 2025 1 hour ago, Fuzz said: Close. You left out the bit where Rob and Ken were bickering like an old married couple. That’s always the best part. It’s like watching Laurel & Hardy, with cigars! 2
ha_banos Posted June 7, 2025 Posted June 7, 2025 2 hours ago, Fuzz said: Close. You left out the bit where Rob and Ken were bickering like an old married couple. I'll include that in the prompt for the next one! 👍🏼 2 1
MrBirdman Posted June 8, 2025 Posted June 8, 2025 Fantastic masterclass - I can’t believe I’ve never tried this pairing before. Other than champagne, I had not found a table wine that pairs well on my palate. Now, an off-dry to off-dry+ Riesling will be one of my go-to’s. Mosel Riesling is one of the great values in wine, especially if you have the ability to cellar it for a few years. Big thanks to @Ken Gargett for his unparalleled knowledge (and anecdotes) as well as to @El Presidente for organizing. Looking forward to the next class! I love Rob’s suggestion of doing fortified wine - it is one of my favorite options for cigar pairings, especially after a good meal. 1
ha_banos Posted June 8, 2025 Posted June 8, 2025 9 hours ago, MrBirdman said: Fantastic masterclass - I can’t believe I’ve never tried this pairing before. Other than champagne, I had not found a table wine that pairs well on my palate. Now, an off-dry to off-dry+ Riesling will be one of my go-to’s. Mosel Riesling is one of the great values in wine, especially if you have the ability to cellar it for a few years. Big thanks to @Ken Gargett for his unparalleled knowledge (and anecdotes) as well as to @El Presidente for organizing. Looking forward to the next class! I love Rob’s suggestion of doing fortified wine - it is one of my favorite options for cigar pairings, especially after a good meal. Flashback! MD 2020 1
MrBirdman Posted June 8, 2025 Posted June 8, 2025 8 hours ago, ha_banos said: Flashback! MD 2020 Fortunately I’ve never tried pairing cigars with mouthwash — which is the only liquid that color that should ever go in your mouth! 1
Chas.Alpha Posted June 8, 2025 Posted June 8, 2025 I purposely skipped bottles that had screw caps in favor of corked bottles. I assumed the use of screw caps indicated a cheaper, inferior wine. I didn’t want my FOH brethren to make fun of me…😔 1
El Presidente Posted June 9, 2025 Author Posted June 9, 2025 1 hour ago, Chas.Alpha said: I didn’t want my FOH brethren to make fun of me…😔 ....as if that would ever occur
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