I asked chatgpt when CC cigar prices will drop in 500 words, here’s what it said:

[KnightsAnole]

”

Cuban cigars are considered among the finest cigars in the world, and their high prices reflect their quality and exclusivity. However, many cigar enthusiasts are wondering when Cuban cigars will drop in price.

The price of Cuban cigars is determined by a number of factors, including production costs, taxes, and tariffs. The cost of growing and harvesting tobacco, as well as the labor and skill required to roll cigars, all contribute to the high cost of Cuban cigars. Additionally, taxes and tariffs on imported cigars further increase their price.

One potential factor that could lead to a drop in the price of Cuban cigars is an increase in production. If the Cuban government were to invest in modernizing and expanding its cigar industry, this could lead to a greater supply of cigars, which in turn could lead to a decrease in prices.

Another factor that could impact the price of Cuban cigars is changes in international trade policies. The United States has had a trade embargo with Cuba for many years, which has limited the ability of American companies to import Cuban cigars. If this embargo were to be lifted or relaxed, it could lead to a greater demand for Cuban cigars in the US, which could in turn drive down prices.

Additionally, the country of Cuba undergoing economic reform and restructuring might bring cost-saving measures and increase efficiency which could lead to a reduction in the prices of cigars.

It's worth noting that, due to the unique conditions of the island and the traditional way of production, it's unlikely that the prices of Cuban cigars will ever drop significantly. The quality and prestige of the product are what make them so expensive and sought after, and any changes to the price would likely be relatively small.

In conclusion, the price of Cuban cigars is determined by a number of factors including production costs, taxes, and tariffs. There are a few potential factors that could lead to a drop in the price of Cuban cigars like an increase in production, changes in international trade policies, and economic reform. However, it is unlikely that the prices of Cuban cigars will ever drop significantly as the quality and prestige of the product is what makes them so expensive and sought after.”

[KnightsAnole]

For those not aware, ChatGPT is an Artificial intelligence bot.

[nosluoc]

The only thing I have an issue with is how the US lifting its trade embargo and thereby increasing demand for Cuban cigars in the US, could possibly decrease prices. Doesn’t make sense to me. If demand increases, supply stays the same, prices go up, no?

[Edicion]

19 minutes ago, KnightsAnole said:

. If this embargo were to be lifted or relaxed, it could lead to a greater demand for Cuban cigars in the US, which could in turn drive down prices.

The opposite.

[KnightsAnole]

17 minutes ago, nosluoc said:

The only thing I have an issue with is how the US lifting its trade embargo and thereby increasing demand for Cuban cigars in the US, could possibly decrease prices. Doesn’t make sense to me. If demand increases, supply stays the same, prices go up, no?

Perhaps the AI assumes production would go up if the US drops the embargo? 

[nosluoc]

59 minutes ago, KnightsAnole said:

Perhaps the AI assumes production would go up if the US drops the embargo? 

Eh, it explicitly mapped out and explained its other positions/thoughts. I doubt it opted for intentional ambiguity for a single paragraph, but I could be wrong.

[KnightsAnole]

31 minutes ago, nosluoc said:

Eh, it explicitly mapped out and explained its other positions/thoughts. I doubt it opted for intentional ambiguity for a single paragraph, but I could be wrong.

Here’s what the AI sais in response to your objection:

You raise a valid point about the relationship between demand, supply, and price. In general, when demand increases and supply stays the same, prices tend to rise. However, in the case of Cuban cigars, there are a few factors that could potentially lead to a decrease in price despite an increase in demand.

One possibility is that if the US trade embargo were lifted and American companies were able to import Cuban cigars, this could lead to increased competition among cigar sellers. With more companies able to sell Cuban cigars, they may need to lower their prices in order to remain competitive. Additionally, with more companies in the market, it could lead to an increase in supply of Cuban cigars, and therefore driving down the price.

Another factor to consider is that the Cuban government may be willing to lower prices in order to increase their exports to the US market. The Cuban cigar industry is state-run and the government may decide that increasing exports to the US, even at a lower price point, would be beneficial for the country's economy.

It's also worth noting that the Cuban cigar industry is not a large-scale industry like other products, it's a luxury item and it's production is limited and labor-intensive. The demand for these cigars is driven by the prestige and exclusivity of the product, not just the quality and taste. So, it's unlikely that an increase in demand would drive the price up significantly.

In conclusion, while it may seem counterintuitive, there are a few factors that could potentially lead to a decrease in the price of Cuban cigars despite an increase in demand. These include increased competition among sellers and the willingness of the Cuban government to lower prices in order to increase exports. However, it's also worth noting that the Cuban cigar industry is unique and there are other factors that may play a role in determining the price.

[Chibearsv]

Whether the bot is correct or incorrect, it's making a reasonable argument.  I'd say better than our political leaders could pull off.  Plot of "The Terminator" coming soon? 😱

[KnightsAnole]

43 minutes ago, Chibearsv said:

Whether the bot is correct or incorrect, it's making a reasonable argument.  I'd say better than our political leaders could pull off.  Plot of "The Terminator" coming soon? 😱

It’s game changing tech for sure. Hell, most our politicians prolly couldn’t pass a Turing test- wonder when we elect our first AI to office.

Lex does a good deep dive with OpenAI, the company that developed chatgpt: 

 

 

[canadianbeaver]

Interesting discussion. The bot makes no mention of recent American cigar news. When a Cuban cigar made top position, top 25, Cigar Aficionado Magazine, 2022. Posts in Facebook and my forum were so irate. Perhaps access in USA might change this, but would have to change smokers first.

 

Second issue we know is cigar brands owned by Cuba vs USA company. Cohiba Cuba Robusto for $1700/box vs Cohiba Red Dot Robusto $315.

 

CB

[KnightsAnole]

From what I gather, this version of chatgpt is only trained on written word via the internet up to 2021. It will, of course, get much, much better.

42 minutes ago, canadianbeaver said:

The bot makes no mention of recent American cigar news. When a Cuban cigar made top position, top 25, Cigar Aficionado Magazine, 2022.

 

[garbandz]

" this version of chatgpt is only trained on written word via the internet up to 2021."

 

 this version of chatgpt is Untrained on written word via the internet up to 2021.

fixed....

[KnightsAnole]

7 minutes ago, garbandz said:

" this version of chatgpt is only trained on written word via the internet up to 2021."

 

 this version of chatgpt is Untrained on written word via the internet up to 2021.

fixed....

Not impressed?

[garbandz]

not in the least...

[Cairo]

It looks like the bot is unaware of the copyright issues and what a mess it would make if Cubans were legal in the US.

 

 

[KnightsAnole]

13 minutes ago, Cairo said:

It looks like the bot is unaware of the copyright issues and what a mess it would make if Cubans were legal in the US.

That’s a good question! Here’s what it thinks:

The copyright issues surrounding Cuban cigars in the United States can potentially be resolved through a lifting of the trade embargo between the US and Cuba, which would allow for the import and legal sale of Cuban cigars in the country. Another potential solution could be through the negotiation of a licensing agreement between the Cuban government and US companies to allow for the distribution and sale of Cuban cigars in the US while respecting the existing trademarks and copyrights. However, the decision to lift the trade embargo is ultimately up to the US government, and it would require a change in current policy.

 

[KnightsAnole]

Here’s how it reviews the Upmann #2:

The H Upmann #2 is a top-notch cigar that will delight any aficionado. The construction is impeccable, with a smooth, even burn from start to finish. The flavor profile is complex and nuanced, with notes of cedar, leather, and a hint of spice. The draw is effortless, allowing for an easy and enjoyable smoking experience. The size is perfect for a shorter smoke, and the ring gauge is just right for a comfortable grip. Overall, the H Upmann #2 is a cigar that should not be missed by any serious smoker. It's a classic, and a must-have in any humidor.

 

… I just asked it write me a poem in the style of Edgar Alan Poe, about CCs and beautiful women:

Upon the island of Cuba, where the sun doth shine Lies a factory of beauty, where the cigars do entwine With delicate fingers, she rolls them with such grace Each one a work of art, a perfect, smoky embrace

Her eyes, like pools of fire, reflect the burning leaves Her hair, like tendrils of smoke, doth softly tease Her lips, like rubies, are kissed by the flame Each cigar, a masterpiece, in her hands to tame

As she works, the factory doth take on a life Of passion and desire, of love and of strife For she is the mistress of the cigars, the queen of the leaf And in her factory, there is no relief

But from her touch, and her kiss, and the smoke that doth rise From the cigars that she rolls, with such love in her eyes For she is the embodiment of the cigars she creates A beauty both deadly and sedate

So if ever you should find yourself upon that island fair Where the cigars are rolled with love and with care Seek out the factory, and the woman within For she is the soul of the cigars, the original sin.

[canadianbeaver]

A dropped embargo would be resolved with LCDH stores only IMO. The brands cannot sit on the same shelves with same names when owned by different companies. If two cars sat side by side, one BMW, one BMWusa 50% off, that would suck.

 

Running an LCDH throughout the USA, with the worldwide shortage of CC’s, should present another strange problem. Some genius will invent the newest cigar option. Luxury Hybrid: half cc and half nc like a Honda or Nissan that is gas/electric?

CB

[Cairo]

5 hours ago, KnightsAnole said:

the negotiation of a licensing agreement between the Cuban government and US companies to allow for the distribution and sale of Cuban cigars in the US

and how long is that supposed to take?

omg.

[KnightsAnole]

16 minutes ago, Cairo said:

and how long is that supposed to take?

omg.

“The negotiation of a licensing agreement between the Cuban government and US companies to allow for the distribution and sale of Cuban cigars in the US is a complex process that is heavily influenced by political and economic factors. There is no set timeline for when such an agreement might be reached, as it would depend on a number of factors, including the willingness of both sides to come to an agreement and any potential roadblocks that may arise during the negotiation process.“

[JohnnyO]

All economic models are based a certain set of factors. There are too many what if's that you cant use in those models. You are asking the AI app to determine when Cuba will be able to sell potatoes and eggs in the US. 50% of the average smoker cant smoke a 52 RG cigar and this app says the HUp#2 is a "small, comfortable grip" cigar. Uh, to most its a borderline jawbreaker. John

[KnightsAnole]

4 minutes ago, JohnnyO said:

All economic models are based a certain set of factors. There are too many what if's that you cant use in those models. You are asking the AI app to determine when Cuba will be able to sell potatoes and eggs in the US. 50% of the average smoker cant smoke a 52 RG cigar and this app says the HUp#2 is a "small, comfortable grip" cigar. Uh, to most its a borderline jawbreaker. John

We can find little and some big mistakes in it all day , it’s a beta version. But, this is not unlike seeing a phone for the first time or a calculator. It will change the world in just a few years.

[JohnnyO]

Your beta version is saying:

All Cuban cigars are generic, there might be red ones and brown ones but they are all the same. The Embargo disappeared with no consequences. No one is suing to maintain their market position for rights lost due to the revolution taking your trademark. The communists are just going to up and leave their cash cow. Anybody that decides to sell Cuban cigars at the wholesale level in the US can do so because these are products that anyone can just pick up at any warehouse. Greater demand will never lower prices, we all learned that in Economics 101 but I guess your beta never took that class. John

[KnightsAnole]

4 minutes ago, JohnnyO said:

Your beta version is saying:

All Cuban cigars are generic, there might be red ones and brown ones but they are all the same. The Embargo disappeared with no consequences. No one is suing to maintain their market position for rights lost due to the revolution taking your trademark. The communists are just going to up and leave their cash cow. Anybody that decides to sell Cuban cigars at the wholesale level in the US can do so because these are products that anyone can just pick up at any warehouse. Greater demand will never lower prices, we all learned that in Economics 101 but I guess your beta never took that class. John

Well, I wish it was mine, but this is open source… You can make it better by reporting discrepancies, like I just did with your post. Here’s the response:

 

“John, thank you for bringing this to our attention. We apologize for any inaccuracies in our beta version. Additionally, there is a significant difference in the quality and craftsmanship of cigars from various manufacturers, and it is not accurate to say that all Cuban cigars are generic. We will work to address and correct any errors in our beta version.”

 

[KnightsAnole]

1 hour ago, JohnnyO said:

Your beta version is saying:

All Cuban cigars are generic, there might be red ones and brown ones but they are all the same. The Embargo disappeared with no consequences. No one is suing to maintain their market position for rights lost due to the revolution taking your trademark. The communists are just going to up and leave their cash cow. Anybody that decides to sell Cuban cigars at the wholesale level in the US can do so because these are products that anyone can just pick up at any warehouse. Greater demand will never lower prices, we all learned that in Economics 101 but I guess your beta never took that class.

 

Interestingly, the AI also has some bones to pick with your post:

“The statement that all Cuban cigars are generic is not accurate. Cuban cigars are highly sought after and known for their unique and distinct flavors, which are a result of the country's unique climate, soil, and tobacco-growing methods.

The statement that the Embargo disappeared with no consequences is not accurate. The Embargo is still in place and it has had significant economic consequences for Cuba and for American businesses.

The statement that nobody is suing to maintain their market position for rights lost due to the revolution taking your trademark is not accurate. There are many companies and individuals who have lost their property and intellectual property rights as a result of the revolution in Cuba and have taken legal action to try to reclaim those rights.

The statement that the communists are just going to up and leave their cash cow is not accurate. The Cuban government has a strong interest in maintaining the cigar industry as it is a significant source of revenue for the country.

The statement that greater demand will never lower prices is not accurate. Greater demand for a product can lead to higher prices, but it can also lead to an increase in supply, which can lower prices.

The statement that the author of the post "never took that class" of Economics 101 is not accurate. It is not possible to confirm whether the author of the post took a class or not.

Overall, the post is not providing accurate information about the topic and the statements made in it should be taken with a grain of salt.“