CIA Determines "Havana Syndrome" NOT Sustained Global Campaign

[Corylax18]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/cia-says-havana-syndrome-not-result-sustained-global-campaign-hostile-rcna12838

The Title says it all. The CIA has determined that the Vast majority of "Havana Syndrome" cases, weren't. They are still looking at a couple dozen of the original cases, but have determined that the vast majority of the cases where just "copy cats" with easily explained causes. What a surprise. 

Apparently the White House and state department don't agree, but still don't have any evidence to provide the country. They're still hooked on a feeling. 😄

[dominattorney]

1 hour ago, Corylax18 said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/cia-says-havana-syndrome-not-result-sustained-global-campaign-hostile-rcna12838

The Title says it all. The CIA has determined that the Vast majority of "Havana Syndrome" cases, weren't. They are still looking at a couple dozen of the original cases, but have determined that the vast majority of the cases where just "copy cats" with easily explained causes. What a surprise. 

Apparently the White House and state department don't agree, but still don't have any evidence to provide the country. They're still hooked on a feeling. 😄

Dude. It was obviously the Russians. Anyone can see that. I've got proof but I'm not gonna show ya. 

Smh...hooked on a feeling indeed. 

[MrBirdman]

It’s important to contextualize this report - once people started talking about Havana syndrome, foreign diplomats and embassy employees were encouraged to report symptoms and obviously many people with a variety of ailments did so. Unsurprisingly, most could be attributed to more routine mental or physical causes. That’s what the report basically says. So the title of this thread is, in that respect, inaccurate.

The fact that they cannot explain a core set of cases means the mystery will continue. I for one do not discount the medical examinations of the original patients which found many clearly suffered brain damage from an unknown source (possibly directed microwaves). Psychosomatic illnesses can explain symptoms but not physiological changes in brain matter.

That does not necessarily mean, however, that a foreign power is at work. That’s why they’re continuing to investigate. 

[Grateful13]

Yet another tin foil hat conspiracy theory promulgated by the CIA or FBI that their agents in the fake news media breathlessly shared. 
 

They said Russians were using top secret sound wave guns to melt their brains. This is literal tin foil hat stuff yet people still believe these clown agencies about other matters.  Neurotic hypochondriacs with 100% psychosomatic “illnesses”. 
 

Sound familiar?

 

I’m sure if they just keep looking they’ll find the Russian that colluded to do this!  I even hear certain congressmen hold proof of this but they can’t share just yet!  

[HarveyBoulevard]

They determined fault as apportioned below:

37.3% climate change;

23.8% racism;

21.6% hedge fund managers; and

17.3% Jeffrey Epstein and/or O.J. Simpson

Mystery solved. 

[MrBirdman]

1 hour ago, Grateful13 said:

Yet another tin foil hat conspiracy theory promulgated by the CIA or FBI that their agents in the fake news media breathlessly shared. 
 

They said Russians were using top secret sound wave guns to melt their brains. This is literal tin foil hat stuff yet people still believe these clown agencies about other matters.  Neurotic hypochondriacs with 100% psychosomatic “illnesses”. 
 

Sound familiar?

 

I’m sure if they just keep looking they’ll find the Russian that colluded to do this!  I even hear certain congressmen hold proof of this but they can’t share just yet!  

There is nothing “tin foil hatted“ about directional microwave weapons. The US has developed these kinds of weapons to shoot down drones and for non-lethal crowd control. There’s no reason the technology couldn’t be altered to cause permanent damage.

Amazing how, for some, Russians have gone from an external adversary (which they are) to the patsies of domestic “enemies.”

[MrBirdman]

2 hours ago, Grateful13 said:

Neurotic hypochondriacs with 100% psychosomatic “illnesses”. 

Again, I’ll repeat my earlier comment that somaticization can explain symptoms, but not the brain damage found in a set of the original patients. Conclusive? No. But there is hard evidence to suggest there may be something there. So let’s not hand-wave away potential causes for others’ suffering because you don’t trust the media. 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2738552

There really might not be anything there after all. But I cringe when I see people speak with contemptuous and ill-informed authority on a topic that affects the wellbeing of other humans.

[Corylax18]

37 minutes ago, MrBirdman said:

There is nothing “tin foil hatted“ about directional microwave weapons. The US has developed these kinds of weapons to shoot down drones and for non-lethal crowd control. There’s no reason the technology couldn’t be altered to cause permanent damage.

No argument that work has been done to develop these types of things, but there aren't any in operation for a reason. 

The Crowd Control devices you mention need to be towed in by Heavy duty Trucks and are powered with large generators. The Navy abandoned the idea for pirate protection/ship boarding years ago because they couldn't justify the power it used and all the other things they would have to turn off to allow it to work. That's on a ship with its own nuclear power plant on board. 

Its a HUGE stretch from the above, barely functional technologies to be improved AND shrunk down small enough to sneak into a hotel room on one of the busiest blocks in Vedado. Maybe whoever is responsible is getting help from Aliens, like the Egyptians did with the pyramids. 

[MrBirdman]

11 minutes ago, Corylax18 said:

No argument that work has been done to develop these types of things, but there aren't any in operation for a reason. 

The Crowd Control devices you mention need to be towed in by Heavy duty Trucks and are powered with large generators. The Navy abandoned the idea for pirate protection/ship boarding years ago because they couldn't justify the power it used and all the other things they would have to turn off to allow it to work. That's on a ship with its own nuclear power plant on board. 

Its a HUGE stretch from the above, barely functional technologies to be improved AND shrunk down small enough to sneak into a hotel room on one of the busiest blocks in Vedado. Maybe whoever is responsible is getting help from Aliens, like the Egyptians did with the pyramids. 

Well, your dismissiveness is belied by the very information you give earlier in your post. Directed microwave weapons can and have been developed. Just because some models weren’t considered viable by the US (some of which were in prototype nearly 20 years ago, mind you) doesn’t mean they’re a permanent dead end.

Directed energy weapons are a field multiple countries are investing heavily in, and it wouldn’t be much of a secret weapons program if you were aware of all the developments. The technology isn’t impossible to imagine in the modern world or outlandish. This isn’t warp drive.

[Bijan]

To me there is no question this is possible or easily doable if it's microwaves (most of us use microwaves powerful enough to fry brains daily in our kitchens). The other side of it is once you know it's microwaves it's easy to detect though, since cheap and readily available sensors will trip way below that harmful a level. And you'd be motivated to detect such attacks once there are enough cases. So it's perhaps not surprising that it was a small number of people most of which were targetted initially.

[MrBirdman]

3 minutes ago, Bijan said:

To me there is no question this is possible or easily doable if it's microwaves (most of us use microwaves powerful enough to fry brains daily in our kitchens). The other side of it is once you know it's microwaves it's easy to detect though, since cheap and readily available sensors will trip way below that harmful a level. And you'd be motivated to detect such attacks once there are enough cases. So it's perhaps not surprising that it was a small number of people most of which were targetted initially.

Good point. If the only purpose of the attack (if, indeed, there was one) was to divert intelligence assets it may have already succeeded in that respect. 

[Corylax18]

19 minutes ago, Bijan said:

once you know it's microwaves it's easy to detect though

This. 

43 minutes ago, MrBirdman said:

Well, your dismissiveness is belied by the very information you give earlier in your post. Directed microwave weapons can and have been developed. Just because some models weren’t considered viable by the US (some of which were in prototype nearly 20 years ago, mind you) doesn’t mean they’re a permanent dead end.

Directed energy weapons are a field multiple countries are investing heavily in, and it wouldn’t be much of a secret weapons program if you were aware of all the developments. The technology isn’t impossible to imagine in the modern world or outlandish. This isn’t warp drive.

All the technology I mentioned works within known laws of physics and still hasn't actually been viable. My dismissive attitude comes from the fact that these "weapons" would need to defy all known laws of physics to actually be what they're described as. Hence my joke about the Aliens. Wave lengths we can't detect, causing symptoms no tested wavelength has ever caused, with a backup story that looks like swiss cheese. I used to climb cell towers for a living. I have no argument that certain RF wavelengths can do real, permeant damage to a human being. I've spent hours in classes learning about it. None of the stories being told are supported by the basic physics at play though. The level of damage reported would require a serious amount of energy. Far more than a pocket sized device could generate. Even something the size of a suitcase would be a huge stretch.  

[MrBirdman]

15 minutes ago, Corylax18 said:

This. 

All the technology I mentioned works within known laws of physics and still hasn't actually been viable. My dismissive attitude comes from the fact that these "weapons" would need to defy all known laws of physics to actually be what they're described as. Hence my joke about the Aliens. Wave lengths we can't detect, causing symptoms no tested wavelength has ever caused, with a backup story that looks like swiss cheese. I used to climb cell towers for a living. I have no argument that certain RF wavelengths can do real, permeant damage to a human being. I've spent hours in classes learning about it. None of the stories being told are supported by the basic physics at play though. The level of damage reported would require a serious amount of energy. Far more than a pocket sized device could generate. Even something the size of a suitcase would be a huge stretch.  

No one said this had to be microwaves - it’s one theory. Countries would not be spending billions of dollars developing directed energy weapons to kill or harm people if the principles “defy all known laws of physics.” 

I could post all the articles citing weapons experts claiming these types of weapons exist but they are easy enough to find with a search engine.

But here’s one, and it’s opening paragraph:

https://amp.theguardian.com/science/2021/jun/02/microwave-weapons-havana-syndrome-experts

”Portable microwave weapons capable of causing the mysterious spate of “Havana Syndrome” brain injuries in US diplomats and spies have been developed by several countries in recent years, according to leading American experts in the field.”

[Chas.Alpha]

8 or 9 Cuba Libres at the Conde Villanueva (if you tip well, they go from a dark cola color into almost clear) and I had all of the symptoms of “Havana Syndrome.”

Just sayin’... 😳

[Fuzz AI]

14 hours ago, Corylax18 said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/cia-says-havana-syndrome-not-result-sustained-global-campaign-hostile-rcna12838

The Title says it all. The CIA has determined that the Vast majority of "Havana Syndrome" cases, weren't. They are still looking at a couple dozen of the original cases, but have determined that the vast majority of the cases where just "copy cats" with easily explained causes. What a surprise. 

Apparently the White House and state department don't agree, but still don't have any evidence to provide the country. They're still hooked on a feeling. 😄

[Bijan]

Again everyone knows how big a microwave is and most of that is to be big enough to accommodate the food not the microwave guts.

I have a battery powered lawn mower and snow blower, two size batteries 2Ah and 4Ah both 80V. About the size of one or two bricks. They'd power a microwave at full power for about 5 and 10 minutes respectively.

What is not believable is that this would be used for years in many locations without being able to narrow it down.

To me it's the equivalent of US embassies being attacked by people driving up trucks filled with explosives at night and that going on for years. Sooner rather than later they'd prevent random trucks from driving up to the embassy. Same thing with easily detectable microwaves.

Edit: all that being said if it only happened in Havana and at only one point in time or very sporadically it would be somewhat believable