Is the Trinidad blend more opulent than Cohiba?

[NSXCIGAR]

4 hours ago, El Presidente said:

My criticism of Trinidad is that for the price point I expect better.  If HSA wishes to pitch it as a high end cigar then it needs to do better in construction consistency. 

Always felt this way too. HSA wants this to be a premium marca but very rarely if ever does the final product justify that. I think Trini is a very good marca, but there are several other very good marcas with lower prices and higher consistency.

[NSXCIGAR]

2 minutes ago, cookj1 said:

Tobacco from the Vuelta Abajo.

  Only Jose L. Piedra utilizes no tobacco from Vuelta Abajo....

[cookj1]

6 minutes ago, NSXCIGAR said:

  Only Jose L. Piedra utilizes no tobacco from Vuelta Abajo....

I believe Trinidad is 100% VA.

[cookj1]

Just now, cookj1 said:

I believe Trinidad is 100% VA.

Binder, wrapper, filler.

[NSXCIGAR]

16 hours ago, Fugu said:

On the other hand, my beloved Boli CJs are often seeing up to 15-20 percent duds (mostly underfills) in the box

Funny, I've also always found high levels of inconsistency with BCJ. Not just in construction, but in flavor. I don't think I've ever had a box with more than 5 very good sticks. Always been my big gripe with BCJ. A good example is, IMO, the best Minutos and TBH the best Bolivar model. But very good ones are rare.

[NSXCIGAR]

2 minutes ago, cookj1 said:

I believe Trinidad is 100% VA.

So is every brand except Quintero and JLP...I'm still confused.

[cookj1]

3 minutes ago, NSXCIGAR said:

So is every brand except Quintero and JLP...I'm still confused.

Other brands will contain tobacco from the other four regions.  The best tobacco comes from VA.  While other brands may contain VA tobacco, it’s not 100%, with the exception of Cohiba.

 

[Baccy]

On 5/9/2018 at 8:27 AM, 99call said:

Someone referred to a Dr Joe video, and the concept that Trinidad was 'THE' premo production cigar (whether available to the public or not). Personally I cant stand Dr Joe, it's like being at the arse end of a party, sat with a coke crazed madman, melting your face with aimless chat.

Rofl, I guess I happen to enjoy the company of a "coke crazed madman"... I'm watching the show right now actually. He does rant pretty heavy at times, but I'd say that's just his persona.

[Wilzc]

Dr Joe's shows last soooo long, soo draggy!!

 

In any case, I think Trinidad isn't rolled in Havana no?

[Fugu]

Many thanks for the insight Rob, much appreciated!

12 hours ago, El Presidente said:

It may be just me but I hold a Trinidad Reyes to a higher standard than that of a Boli Corona Junior.

Yes, sure, to a certain degree I have to agree with that. But I do expect a proper mechanics from any cigar out there, cheap or expensive. Proper rolling can't be a cost factor. Being able to 'technically' smoking a cigar is a fundamental prerequisite for every cigar and should not be related to price. Apart from the actual format, wrapper and quality of the raw tobacco are the main cost- and as such price parameters. So I'd basically expect (read: demand) as little construction discard in a BCJ as in a Reyes, with the BCJ being even easier to roll. And I just can't fault construction in Trini.

12 hours ago, El Presidente said:

MDO4 is La Corona and if Trinidad were rolled at La Corona it would have twice the sales and two more lines. 

LGC MdO has mostly been Partagas in recent years as to my knowledge (very few exceptions). Not seen a La Corona-made MdO4 so far. At least all what I have seen and own (and I am 'collecting' MdO4 if you so will  ) is Partagas-made, at least since turn of the century. (Edit: confusion with QdO perhaps?)

[Fugu]

5 hours ago, cookj1 said:

Other brands will contain tobacco from the other four regions.  The best tobacco comes from VA.  While other brands may contain VA tobacco, it’s not 100%, with the exception of Cohiba.

 

I guess you are confusing "Vuelta abajo" with "Vegas finas de primera"

[TheMonk]

I've always preferred Trinidad over Cohiba, in general. A great Fundi is almost unbeatable to me, and the Coloniales is such an approachable cigar when young, that I really struggle to age them. Much like the Mag50, albeit citrusy and not as sweet.

That being said, I do get the occasional wind tunnel with Trinidad, but that's more and more becoming the norm across the board, and not just with Trinis.

[Fugu]

2 hours ago, Wilzc said:

Dr Joe's shows last soooo long, soo draggy!!

 

In any case, I think Trinidad isn't rolled in Havana no?

 

Francisco Donatien Cigar Factory
Antonio Maceo Oeste No. 157
Pinar del Rio 20100
Cuba

[Fugu]

6 minutes ago, TheMonk said:

That being said, I do get the occasional wind tunnel with Trinidad, but that's more and more becoming the norm across the board, and not just with Trinis.

Not in "real" Trinis (well if you smoke Vigía or Topes....)

[Fugu]

6 hours ago, NSXCIGAR said:

Aside from Cohiba Lanceros all of which are rolled at EL

Has been, but just recently we are seeing UAO and MOL codes for Lances (both excellent quality from what I have seen in life)

[Wilzc]

1 hour ago, Fugu said:

 

Francisco Donatien Cigar Factory
Antonio Maceo Oeste No. 157
Pinar del Rio 20100
Cuba

 

 

So..  no?

[Fugu]

3 minutes ago, Wilzc said:

 

 

So..  no?

Yes - no!

[TheMonk]

2 hours ago, Fugu said:

Not in "real" Trinis (well if you smoke Vigía or Topes....)

I mostly smoke Fundis and Coloniales, with a Reyes here and there for a quicker smoke. Really wish Trinidad made a Corona Especial, as sometimes a Fundi is just too big. And I know Vigias tend to get a bit of a bashing around here, but I actually find them to be a very good smoke, and even better with just a couple years on them.

[99call]

3 hours ago, TheMonk said:

 Really wish Trinidad made a Corona Especial, as sometimes a Fundi is just too big. 

If Trinidad made a really good corona, I think it would seriously effect Fundi sales. It would be an awesome smoke

[cookj1]

9 hours ago, Fugu said:

I guess you are confusing "Vuelta abajo" with "Vegas finas de primera"

Huh?  Vegas Finas de Primera is in VA. 

[El Presidente]

11 hours ago, Fugu said:

Many thanks for the insight Rob, much appreciated!

Yes, sure, to a certain degree I have to agree with that. But I do expect a proper mechanics from any cigar out there, cheap or expensive. Proper rolling can't be a cost factor. Being able to 'technically' smoking a cigar is a fundamental prerequisite for every cigar and should not be related to price. Apart from the actual format, wrapper and quality of the raw tobacco are the main cost- and as such price parameters. So I'd basically expect (read: demand) as little construction discard in a BCJ as in a Reyes, with the BCJ being even easier to roll. And I just can't fault construction in Trini.

LGC MdO has mostly been Partagas in recent years as to my knowledge (very few exceptions). Not seen a La Corona-made MdO4 so far. At least all what I have seen and own (and I am 'collecting' MdO4 if you so will  ) is Partagas-made, at least since turn of the century. (Edit: confusion with QdO perhaps?)

I may be wrong but I thought LGR was La Corona.  I am not sure why I thought that? 

[cookj1]

6 hours ago, 99call said:

If Trinidad made a really good corona, I think it would seriously effect Fundi sales. It would be an awesome smoke

They do.  The corona they have is named Coloniales.  ?

[NSXCIGAR]

7 hours ago, El Presidente said:

I may be wrong but I thought LGR was La Corona.  I am not sure why I thought that? 

Possibly because most 17 Cuaba Distinguidos have been LGR while all other Cuaba has been EML & TOS which are both confirmed to be La Corona. I've also seen some SC La Fuerza from LGC. Not sure why the Distinguidos isn't rolled at La Corona but they have been excellent, so LGR is doing something right. It's not a super common code from what I can tell (some Monte 2, RyJ WC, Punch 48, PLMC, HdM EDL, and BBF with LGR codes have popped up. 

9 hours ago, cookj1 said:

Huh?  Vegas Finas de Primera is in VA. 

Then we're all still confused. The only brands that do not use 100% Auelta Abajo tobacco are Quintero and JLP. Quintero uses some Vuelta Abajo while JLP uses 100% Vuelta Arriba. 

[Fugu]

On 11.5.2018 at 11:58 PM, El Presidente said:

I may be wrong but I thought LGR was La Corona.  I am not sure why I thought that? 

LGR as a factory code? Never seen LGR on any MdO4 so far. Latest code I have seen (on the forum) is MSU from July 17 (and that could well be the new Partagas code (?)), latest I own is ETP MAY 17. Before that they were all OSU, POS, TEB, MUR, ULA, ETP.

[El Presidente]

9 minutes ago, Fugu said:

LGR as a factory code? Never seen LGR on any MdO4 so far. Latest code I have seen (on the forum) is MSU from July 17 (and that could well be the new Partagas code (?)), latest I own is ETP MAY 17. Before that they were all OSU, POS, TEB, MUR, ULA, ETP.

LGR is on the latest mastercase of LGC MO4. If still in the warehouse Tuesday, I will take a photo and post for you. 

They were decent. Nothing outstanding.