Teflon Wrapper

[nsills]

Smoking a Hoyo Epicure Especial and although it stays lit and produces smoke, the wrapper refuses to burn. The wrapper does not even burn under direct flame.

Has anyone experienced this? This is the 4th stick from the same box and nothing has changed. I pulled it from a separate desktop humi for smoking stock at 58 rh and about 70-74F depending on temp outside. Most others I keep in there smoke beautifully. Can anything be done? Maybe these work better at different rh/temp? Long term resting? Or simply poor crop?

[Wilzc]

Nightmare ...


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[PrairieSmoke]

That’s a shame, love me some HDM Especials. I don’t have an answer for you, but I’m interested to see if anyone has ideas beyond the measures you already took.


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[ayepatz]

I got some Yolanda customs 2 years ago. They were flameproof wrappers then, and still are now. I’ve tried various RH setups, but no joy. I guess now only time can tell.

[fitzy]

That really sucks. 

[dominattorney]

7 hours ago, nsills said:

Smoking a Hoyo Epicure Especial and although it stays lit and produces smoke, the wrapper refuses to burn. The wrapper does not even burn under direct flame.

Has anyone experienced this? This is the 4th stick from the same box and nothing has changed. I pulled it from a separate desktop humi for smoking stock at 58 rh and about 70-74F depending on temp outside. Most others I keep in there smoke beautifully. Can anything be done? Maybe these work better at different rh/temp? Long term resting? Or simply poor crop?

This happens with this cigar to me more often than not unless they are kept at 60-62 percent humidity for at least 12 months.  Put the box away for a year and wait.  They actually do burn, eventually. 

[encephalization]

I wouldn't necessarily agree with the above comment about lower humidity over a long period. Dryboxing them for a day might help but this is not a common occurrence in my experience. I had a similar experience with some Diplomaticos a while back:

(my pictures aren't as good as yours but definitely the same type of issue). I think six or seven from that 10-ct box has had the same problem. How's are your looking construction wise? Are they also on the lighter side? I've had a couple of others with similar problems at the common theme seem to have been underfilled cigars.

[Colt45]

10 hours ago, nsills said:

Long term resting?

 

2 hours ago, dominattorney said:

Put the box away for a year and wait

 

40 minutes ago, encephalization said:

I wouldn't necessarily agree with the above comment about lower humidity over a long period.

 

I don't know - I think putting them away for a year or longer - in order for the filler, binder, and wrapper tobacco to try and reach some sort of moisture equilibrium is at least worth a try - especially given the shown alternative. Don't ask me why, but my first thought was to try "rinsing" the wrapper, which is typically done to keep a wrapper from splitting, and certainly counterintuitive in this case. You could also simply remove a wrapper altogether and see how it goes....

[nsills]

3 hours ago, dominattorney said:

This happens with this cigar to me more often than not unless they are kept at 60-62 percent humidity for at least 12 months.  Put the box away for a year and wait.  They actually do burn, eventually. 

It could be worth a try rather than chucking them.

1 hour ago, Colt45 said:

I don't know - I think putting them away for a year or longer - in order for the filler, binder, and wrapper tobacco to try and reach some sort of moisture equilibrium is at least worth a try - especially given the shown alternative. Don't ask me why, but my first thought was to try "rinsing" the wrapper, which is typically done to keep a wrapper from splitting, and certainly counterintuitive in this case. You could also simply remove a wrapper altogether and see how it goes....

Maybe I can dip one in some whisky and see how that goes 

1 hour ago, encephalization said:

How's are your looking construction wise? Are they also on the lighter side? I've had a couple of others with similar problems at the common theme seem to have been underfilled cigars.

Interesting enough mine have been overfilled. The first one was completely unsmokeable and had to throw out. The rest were just firm. This one actually seemed to smoke well at times with great flavors coming through but the wrapper had trouble keeping up and slowed down the draw considerably. The flavors flattened out and charred due to constant relighting, touching up and simply frustration. Besides that construction is flawless; they were PSP/HQ when I bought them.

[El Presidente]

Try what Colt suggests.

It does happen. Happens less at 60 to 63 RH.  We generally don't have this problem in the walkin as the humidity is kept on the low side.  Yet 3-4 times a year I will run across one. 

They simply sound too wet.

 

[Colt45]

21 minutes ago, nsills said:

Maybe I can dip one in some whisky and see how that goes 

They are your cigars to do with as you wish. I've a friend who used to dip in rum. No matter the spirit, just remember that if you rinse (not dip) with whisky or rum, the spirits will go down the drain, and that is alcohol abuse.

[nsills]

13 minutes ago, Colt45 said:

They are your cigars to do with as you wish. I've a friend who used to dip in rum. No matter the spirit, just remember that if you rinse (not dip) with whisky or rum, the spirits will go down the drain, and that is alcohol abuse.

I agree - my cigars have all been sober so far!

 

34 minutes ago, El Presidente said:

Try what Colt suggests.

It does happen. Happens less at 60 to 63 RH.  We generally don't have this problem in the walkin as the humidity is kept on the low side.  Yet 3-4 times a year I will run across one. 

They simply sound too wet.

 

Thanks Prez/Colt, I'll report back sometime time next year. Fingers crossed. 

[dominattorney]

54 minutes ago, nsills said:

It could be worth a try rather than chucking them.

Maybe I can dip one in some whisky and see how that goes 

Interesting enough mine have been overfilled. The first one was completely unsmokeable and had to throw out. The rest were just firm. This one actually seemed to smoke well at times with great flavors coming through but the wrapper had trouble keeping up and slowed down the draw considerably. The flavors flattened out and charred due to constant relighting, touching up and simply frustration. Besides that construction is flawless; they were PSP/HQ when I bought them.

So there is the issue, imo.  I do not think it is overfilled as much as over humidified. It's a thick cigar, that has traveled far to reach you. The thicker sticks take longer to reach equilibrium. I also don't think 60 to 62 percent humidity is anywhere near as low as dry boxing, so I doubt you'll have problems at that level long term.