stogieluver Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 I wonder when that became known to the Americans. The politics of all this is very interesting to watch.
MPS Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 He was too busy planning the arrest of all the dissidents. Very disrespectful! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2
Ken Gargett Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 do we know if it was planned that he would be at the airport? or was he just scheduled to meet raul at some pre-planned site/time in havana? i've looked through a number of top news sites and if there is any problem with this on either side, i can't find it. how often do we actually see a country's leader waiting at the airport for another's arrival? would it not be more normal for him not to be there? 4
Cletus Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 do we know if it was planned that he would be at the airport? or was he just scheduled to meet raul at some pre-planned site/time in havana? i've looked through a number of top news sites and if there is any problem with this on either side, i can't find it. how often do we actually see a country's leader waiting at the airport for another's arrival? would it not be more normal for him not to be there? This is spot on, particularly the bolded part. The title of the thread appears to drum up drama that doesn't exist IMO. 1
stogieluver Posted March 20, 2016 Author Posted March 20, 2016 This is spot on, particularly the bolded part. The title of the thread appears to drum up drama that doesn't exist IMO. Didn't intend for it to be taken the way you're taking it. You're reading more into it than I intended. I just was making an observation that I thought it was very interesting that he wasn't there to greet Obama. It was more than likely planned that way and known on all sides, but the news media made a point of it several times. Mods, take the damned post down, please before someone's feelings gets hurt. 2
Ken Gargett Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 so there is a photo of the leader of one of the world's many religion's (or smallest countries, if we take him as in charge of the vatican). presumably that is at an airport with him leaving or arriving. aside from the obvious differences, with cuba having a very strong catholic history, so what? with respect, and especially given the endless crap america has put cuba through for more than fifty years, it seems arrogant in the extreme to assume that the leader of cuba will come scurrying to the airport to meet the leader of america. where does the american president meet visiting dignitaries? fortunately, it seems that the american president is not quite so arrogant. any photos of obama standing at the airport waiting for planes to land? and finally, as for when the americans found out, i do not believe for a second that they did not know exactly when/where everything on this trip will take place. does anyone, other than those keen to whip up a non-existing controversy, genuinely believe that this was a surprise? this is a crock of rubbish to put it as nicely as forum rules permit. 3
Ken Gargett Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 Didn't intend for it to be taken the way you're taking it. You're reading more into it than I intended. I just was making an observation that I thought it was very interesting that he wasn't there to greet Obama. It was more than likely planned that way and known on all sides, but the news media made a point of it several times. Mods, take the damned post down, please before someone's feelings gets hurt. sorry - we crossed. understand your thoughts. and yes, i think it wise if it is taken down.
MPS Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 Ken Google is your friend. Of coarse The President goes to the airport to greet world leaders and dignitaries on important, especially historic occasions. It's amazing how Castro will just find any possible way to mess this up so he can continue to use the embargo as an excuse for his impoverished people. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2
Popular Post DoubleDD Posted March 20, 2016 Popular Post Posted March 20, 2016 Maybe he was golfing, which Obama should understand. 9
Fugu Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 Given the special historic situation (plus first visit of a US President after 88 years), I guess both sides will have agreed to avoid the symbolic power of such a picture. Therefore, fully understandable. Depending on the negotiations, however, we might see Raul waving goodbye ...
JohnS Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 Yes, 88 years since Calvin Coolidge's visit. Then again, the Castro brothers are old. Ramon recently died at 91, Fidel has (apparently) been sick for years and remains unseen. Raul is in his eighties. Who's to say he's not been well this weekend? It could be plausible.
Dimmers Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 Raul is lining up for tickets to the Stones concert ! 1
Ken Gargett Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 Ken Google is your friend. Of coarse The President goes to the airport to greet world leaders and dignitaries on important, especially historic occasions. It's amazing how Castro will just find any possible way to mess this up so he can continue to use the embargo as an excuse for his impoverished people. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk with respect, what a load of crap. this would be the embargo unilaterally imposed by america. how fortunate for the cuban people. if he really wanted to "mess this up" (welcome to conspiracy 101), do you really think he would not find a better way than not meeting obama at the airport? do you really think if he wanted to mess it up that things would have gone this far. instead of hiding behind google, feel free to provide examples. or am i supposed to prepare your argument for you? have you ever stopped to consider that the rest of the world thinks this is the most absurd, embarrassing, iniquitous action which should have been rectified decades ago. fortunately you finally have a president which sees this. it seems fairly obvious just who does not want this to proceed. 4
Popular Post MPS Posted March 21, 2016 Popular Post Posted March 21, 2016 There is no respect in your response Ken. Best wishes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 6
JoeyW Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 It s no big deal... they ll have plently of time to meet and speak . Canadian PM meet Obama at the white house few weeks ago and the american prez wasn t waiting at the airport lol
Ken Gargett Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 There is no respect in your response Ken. Best wishes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk i would suggest that there is far more respect in my response than what has been shown by decades of american governments to the cuban people. 2
MPS Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 i would suggest that there is far more respect in my response than what has been shown by decades of american governments to the cuban people. Yes lets blame America for the poor Cuban people! 2
Ken Gargett Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 There is no respect in your response Ken. Best wishes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk i would like to ask something quite seriously. you have said that castro not meeting obama at the airport is "very disrespectful". we can agree to disagree on that at best (i have no doubt that this was all worked out ages ago and if anyone did feel they were being disrespected, it would have been resolved to make every happy). you have suggested that obama does meet leaders of other countries at the airport on occasion. why then is it not "very disrespectful" every time he does not? what is the difference? 1
Ken Gargett Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 Yes lets blame America for the poor Cuban people! there are almost always multiple reasons for anything that happens and i don't imagine anyone truly believes that there is a single reason for the problems of cuba but are you seriously suggesting that the imposition of the embargo by the USA has not been a major contributor? 1
Olga Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 there are almost always multiple reasons for anything that happens and i don't imagine anyone truly believes that there is a single reason for the problems of cuba but are you seriously suggesting that the imposition of the embargo by the USA has not been a major contributor? No kidding.
Popular Post MPS Posted March 21, 2016 Popular Post Posted March 21, 2016 If Castro was so concerned about his people he would go out of his way for President Obama who is creating a new path to diplomacy between the two countries. Cuba has a long history of not helping itself. It didn't start here and doesn't end here. Cuba can do business with every other country in the world. Only Israel still backs Americas embargo in the UN. I'm sure Cuba could do just fine with all the money they received from Russia and China right? Cuba destroyed its economy with terrible policy. It didn't need the help of the embargo. Did the embargo destroy all of their business? What did you think would happen when you pay the same salary to someone who gets a 10 year education and works their asses off every day to someone who sweeps the streets or drives a taxi? By the way what did Castro think would happen when he just decided to take everyone's property and business for the government and exile the very people who were able to build those business' up? Ending the embargo will not bring direct change to the lives of Cubans on the island. Until the actual government makes major policy changes the people will continue to starve. I'm happy Raul has made some changes in regards to private business over the past few years but there is a long way to go. Anyway I could go on and on and on but half my family, the better half, is Cuban and this is a contested topic between generations tonight. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 7
Puros Y Vino Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 The past is the past. No one on either side will live to see the day when all wrongs are made right. In the present though and given what Obama has done in Cuba's favour, Raul, not meeting him is poor form. There's no excuse. Unless he fell down a flight of stairs or had too strong of a Mojito, there's no excuse for this. 1
bdurkk Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 I'm American, and i didn't find it disrespectful that Raul was not there. I'm excited that he is there, and hope good comes out of this trip for Cuba and it's wonderful people. What I am PISSED about is why didn't he get a box of Trinidad's or Cohib'a when he walked of the plane 1
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