Popular Post stogieluver Posted June 21, 2015 Popular Post Posted June 21, 2015 Sometime last year I came across this link to mycigarsite.com and found it interesting to learn the proper pronunciation of the various marca's. Partagas is one, in particular, that I hear pronounced with differing accents on the first, second, and last syllable. http://www.mycigarsite.com/subopciones/opcion5a/opcion5aeng.html 9
Hunter1974 Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 Sometime last year I came across this link to mycigarsite.com and found it interesting to learn the proper pronunciation of the various marca's. Partagas is one, in particular, that I hear pronounced with differing accents on the first, second, and last syllable. http://www.mycigarsite.com/subopciones/opcion5a/opcion5aeng.html why in the hell is a damn redneck like you worried about the pronunciation of Cuban cigars ! Give it up man remember we have tried and only end up laughing at each other sounding even more like a product of our raising ! Oh well its good fun though ! Keep practicing Cause I gotta Hear this ! But I still will probably say PARTAYGUS = partagas ! 1
stogieluver Posted June 21, 2015 Author Posted June 21, 2015 why in the hell is a damn redneck like you worried about the pronunciation of Cuban cigars ! Give it up man remember we have tried and only end up laughing at each other sounding even more like a product of our raising ! Oh well its good fun though ! Keep practicing Cause I gotta Hear this ! But I still will probably say PARTAYGUS = partagas ! I put this up mainly for YOUR benefit.
brlesq Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 See? I've been here only a day and already learned something new! Great reference link. Thanks! 1
jimjim Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 There is the right way to say, then there is the way everybody else says it,
JohnS Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 Who honestly says, "Bol-ee-varr"? The pronunciation for Montecristo was what I expected. My favourite? Definitely H.Upmann! 2
Hunter1974 Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 I put this up mainly for YOUR benefit. kinda figured that smartass ! Good lookn out for me . You know I would hate too loose cool points !
Popular Post Ryan Posted June 22, 2015 Popular Post Posted June 22, 2015 Who honestly says, "Bol-ee-varr"? The pronunciation for Montecristo was what I expected. My favourite? Definitely H.Upmann! Spanish is interesting. Unlike English, Every word is written how it is pronounced. Look up a word in an English dictionary and you'll see under it how it is pronounced in phonetic spelling, eg. Warehouse ˈwɛːhaʊs/ Spanish doesn't need that, letters and syllables are pronounced consistently. So "Bolívar" with the accent over the "i" is always pronounced Bol-EE-var, to a spanish speaking person. Of course to an english speaking person, like me, all bets are off. I'm not going to start saying "Achay Oopman" unless I'm talking to a spanish speaker and want to be understood. Just as I'm not going to start saying "Barthelona", "Budapesht" or "Paree" 5
tmac77 Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 As Ryan stated, unless speaking to someone who is Spanish most Anglophones of us will pronounce the various marcas using the English pronunciation. On my first trip to Cuba a number of years back, however, I quickly learned the correct pronunciation out of necessity. Went into the LCDH and told the lady that I was looking for aged Upmann's. She stared at me with a puzzled look on her face. After pointing out a box of Upmann's she goes: Ohhh ju mean Hooopmann. Jess we have. Left the Shop with a lovely box of aged Monarcas tubos and a box of Hooopman #1's. 1
Coloniales Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 Rafael Bernardo's website. Great guy, and I smoked in Madrid with him 3 months back! He has kept the website up, but not updated it for a while. Keith. 1
oliverdst Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 Who honestly says, "Bol-ee-varr"? The pronunciation for Montecristo was what I expected. My favourite? Definitely H.Upmann! John, couldnt get the problem with Bolivar. I am not native English speaker (nor Spanish).
JohnS Posted June 22, 2015 Posted June 22, 2015 John, couldnt get the problem with Bolivar. I am not native English speaker (nor Spanish). I definitely post in jest. The Australian English speakers all emphasise the "o" in Bolivar, whereas the Spanish pronunciation stresses the "i" in the middle to make it sound very different. And yes, H.Upmann is similar in that in Spanish it's pronounced differently. So, all those marcas that have English names sound very different in English, whereas all the Spanish (or Italian, like Montecristo, named after the small island off Italy in the famous novel by Alexandre Dumas) sound like I would expect. If the situation was reversed, I think Native Spanish speakers would think the same about English speakers and how they pronounce Spanish words. So, if I were to go to Cuba I would definitely learn the local pronunciation of words prioir to going!
Fuzz Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 Archie Luxury knows the proper pronunciation of cigar names. 2
Geauxj Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 I can't hit the tab for Por Larranaga without hearing El Pres correcting Ken's pronunciation in the old Picadores review. 1
Hunter1974 Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 I can't hit the tab for Por Larranaga without hearing El Pres correcting Ken's pronunciation in the old Picadores review. I will have to check that out ! I went to stogie luvers house the other night and after a couple of fine smokes and several rum and cokes he broke out the lap top pulled up this site and started practicing the proper way to say each one he was really getting in to it . and I was laughing my ass off ! Damn I wish I would have recorded it . A lot of you maynot be familiar with a southern accent but hearin him try to say POR LARRANAGA was priceless!!!
cfc1016 Posted May 17, 2018 Posted May 17, 2018 On 6/22/2015 at 6:07 AM, JohnS said: Who honestly says, "Bol-ee-varr"? The pronunciation for Montecristo was what I expected. My favourite? Definitely H.Upmann! I certainly say 'see-MONE bo-LEE-var' and 'par-tah-GASS', but you won't likely hear me say 'mone-tay-KREE-stoh', or 'A-chay OOP-mahn'. Simon Bolivar was a real person - and one helluva guy at that. I feel personally compelled to pronounce his name the way it's meant to be. Partagas (atleast when spelled correctly) has the accent right there over the 'a'. "In english" this is clear indication of how the word should be pronounced - atleast the 'GASS' part, if not the intonation and emphasis in the 'parta' part, anyway. Montecristo, H Upmann? These are clear cases of where the pronunciation of those letters -"achay" vs "aitch"; "ooo" vs "yew" etc - are just different from one language to the next. Hermann Upmann was German. I doubt you'll hear a Cuban bother to say "heir-mahn" when referring to this marca. The marca has taken on a definition of its own, completely independent of the knowledge of who Upmann actually was. So the word, in a way, goes into the public domain, to be freely pronounced in vernacular form. Sort of like the adjectival form of the noun 'Quixote'. Key-HO-tay is the accepted pronunciation - by ENGLISH SPEAKERS - of this 'foreign word'. Well, in english was coined the term 'quixotic'. Guess what? The accepted pronunciation is not 'key-HO-tic', but rather 'kwik-sah-tik', as it follows the constructive diction of the parent language - english, not the root etymological source language.
El Presidente Posted May 17, 2018 Posted May 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, hedgeybaby said: Raymond All Ones ! Half the locals call it "Home Allones" 2
ayepatz Posted May 17, 2018 Posted May 17, 2018 10 hours ago, cfc1016 said: I certainly say 'see-MONE bo-LEE-var' and 'par-tah-GASS', but you won't likely hear me say 'mone-tay-KREE-stoh', or 'A-chay OOP-mahn'. Simon Bolivar was a real person - and one helluva guy at that. I feel personally compelled to pronounce his name the way it's meant to be. Partagas (atleast when spelled correctly) has the accent right there over the 'a'. "In english" this is clear indication of how the word should be pronounced - atleast the 'GASS' part, if not the intonation and emphasis in the 'parta' part, anyway. Montecristo, H Upmann? These are clear cases of where the pronunciation of those letters -"achay" vs "aitch"; "ooo" vs "yew" etc - are just different from one language to the next. Hermann Upmann was German. I doubt you'll hear a Cuban bother to say "heir-mahn" when referring to this marca. The marca has taken on a definition of its own, completely independent of the knowledge of who Upmann actually was. So the word, in a way, goes into the public domain, to be freely pronounced in vernacular form. Sort of like the adjectival form of the noun 'Quixote'. Key-HO-tay is the accepted pronunciation - by ENGLISH SPEAKERS - of this 'foreign word'. Well, in english was coined the term 'quixotic'. Guess what? The accepted pronunciation is not 'key-HO-tic', but rather 'kwik-sah-tik', as it follows the constructive diction of the parent language - english, not the root etymological source language. It always amuses me when BBC radio presenters talk about Don Quicksote. Another regular is Don Jew-ann, instead of Don Hwan. We British seem to have a taste for mangling foreign names. Italy seems to a favourite for a good reworking - Milan (Milano) , Venice (Venezia), and Rome (Roma) are pretty straightforward, but how did we get to Florence (Firenze) and Leghorn (Livorno)? ?
Fugu Posted May 17, 2018 Posted May 17, 2018 14 hours ago, cfc1016 said: Simon Bolivar was a real person - and one helluva guy at that. I feel personally compelled to pronounce his name the way it's meant to be. So, Partagás and Upmann were no real persons? 14 hours ago, cfc1016 said: Montecristo, H Upmann? These are clear cases of where the pronunciation of those letters -"achay" vs "aitch"; "ooo" vs "yew" etc - are just different from one language to the next
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