JohnS Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 I have started this topic to get some input from our dear BOTL's here at FoH in regards to Boveda Packs. Currently I have a few tupperdors with Boveda 69% packs in them. When I want to smoke a cigar I put it in my beautiful Ramon Allones 898 Cigar box ( I think it is from the 1970's as it belonged to my father and I've had it for over 20 years, it still smells barnyard) to 'dry box' them for a few days and this situation works out well. I'm thinking of changing my Boveda pack rating from 69% to 62% or 65%. The advantage to 62% would be the fact of not needing to dry box. The advantage of 65% would be better for aging. I live in Sydney where the average rh in winter is 51%, in summer about 65% and it's around 57% the rest of the year, so any of these Boveda Packs would last a long time as where I store my tuppedors, under my wet bar next to a wine rack, is nice and cool all year round, even on hot summer days. Thoughts?
CaptainQuintero Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 Sadly there isn't much solid proof for any of what you ask! Its pretty much all what you find works to your tastes. I think piggy is of the school that if you smoke a cigar 'dry' then simply store them dry. Famous cigar shops store low and high both say its better for ageing. The only definitive thing to say is that cigar seem to perform better at low humidity 55%-65% in terms of burning. I would say in terms of flavour too but that's subjective. I don't see any reason not to store cigars at any humidity or temp that doesn't cause them physical damage so something like 55%-70%. At both extremes you start to run the risk of wrapper damage or mould. If your prefered smoking rh is in that range then I don't see any reason to not simply store at that rh to save yourself the time dryboxing Going from 70% to 65% was a very noticeable positive effect for me in terms of burn, relights (never needed now) and increase of flavour. But it really does come down to your own taste. 1
Firebender Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 I'm using twenty 65 RH Boveda packs for my CCs Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
earthson Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 I would say it has to do with your typical macro (room) RH. If it gets a little dry, I'd shoot for 65% while if it's a little humid, go for 62%. Where I'm at, the winters are dry while the summers are humid, so it's a dance, for sure. Seeing as you're using a tupperdor, which has a moisture-tight seal, I'd say go for what you like to smoke them at. IMO, there isn't much of a difference between 62 and 65. 1
zrotfus Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 I had been a 65 guy for a while but I set up my newest coolidor with 62% packs and I'm really liking the initial returns. Never had any burn issues at 65 but I'm finding with 62 that flavors just seem a little more crisp, seem to pop a little more. Maybe it's all in my head. 1
manover84 Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 On 3/21/2015 at 12:42 AM, RoRo said: I would say it has to do with your typical macro (room) RH. If it gets a little dry, I'd shoot for 65% while if it's a little humid, go for 62%. Where I'm at, the winters are dry while the summers are humid, so it's a dance, for sure. Seeing as you're using a tupperdor, which has a moisture-tight seal, I'd say go for what you like to smoke them at. IMO, there isn't much of a difference between 62 and 65. I second this and also, if you have a storage device like a humidor with some leak, you might want to go to the next higher Boveda rh to compensate for that too.
LSUTiger Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 I switched from 65 to 62 a few months ago. I live in an area with high humidity. 1
Optic101 Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 You mentioned 2 topics in your question as per my understanding. Long term storage and ready to smoke. You may want to consider to split your smokes. 1) Long term aging set up 2) Want to smoke soon set up As a lot of guys here provided tons of infos on lots different setup I took most infos from Ray (PigFish) and Daboose to create my long term set up. A larger fridge with an external temp controller, RH is set to my preference with some beats in airtight boxes to store the cigar boxes. The second setup is a desktop with an selected stock which can last me 2-3 month. The RH on this one is set to my smoking preference. Just my 2cts 3
JohnS Posted March 21, 2015 Author Posted March 21, 2015 Somewhere in the range of 16° C (61°F) in winter to 22° C (72°F) in summer. The temperature where the tupperdors are situated tend to be stable.
BonVivant Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 On 3/21/2015 at 5:38 AM, JohnS said: Somewhere in the range of 16° C (61°F) in winter to 22° C (72°F) in summer. The temperature where the tupperdors are situated tend to be stable. 16° C (61°F) in winter - use 69RH boveda or higher 22° C (72°F) in summer - use 65RH boveda or lower 3
JohnS Posted March 21, 2015 Author Posted March 21, 2015 Thank you all...I value your opinions highly. Your responses have helped me immensely prior to purchasing my next lot of Boveda packs and for that I am truly grateful.
stunod Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 I store my cigars at 67% in my cabinet humidor. Just my personal preference , by in my desktop humidors, I like the 69 bovida packs. I'm always opening the desktop humidors a few times a day and FOR ME, I feel the 65% is too dry. 1
dchapman Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 I have used the 62% and 65% Boveda packs as you describe for about 2 years , and I find that I like the 65% slightly better, but I like to smoke a dryer cigar. The lower moisture content of the cigars seems to slow the aging process.
madandana Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 On 3/21/2015 at 11:20 AM, stunod said: I store my cigars at 67% in my cabinet humidor. Just my personal preference , by in my desktop humidors, I like the 69 bovida packs. I'm always opening the desktop humidors a few times a day and FOR ME, I feel the 65% is too dry. You don't have burn issues at 67-69?
wabashcr Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 I have a bunch of 65s and 62s. I use 65s in my wooden humidors during the winter, when I struggle to keep RH up, and 62s in the tupperware. In the summer I switch, to keep RH down in the humidors. I've always wondered (although not enough to try it) who would win if I put, say, a 62 and a 69 in a tupperdor together without any cigars.
PapaDisco Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 Like El Capitan Q, I also noticed a nice improvement when I went from 69rH Bovedas to 65rH Bovedas. I've been happy with that and have not tried anything lower. The only tough times I've had with my 65rH cigars is when I take them to seriously tropical climates (90/90) and then they need several days to acclimatize or the burn goes all wonky (wrapper takes up moisture faster than the filler I think), but it sounds like 65rH is right in the middle of where your ambient is anyway so you should be fine. It would be nice to know more about the effect of moisture on aging and flavor development. I believe that it's more complex than just a faster/slower process; but this science is still poorly understood when it comes to cigars.
Rye Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 On 3/21/2015 at 5:39 PM, wabashcr said: I have a bunch of 65s and 62s. I use 65s in my wooden humidors during the winter, when I struggle to keep RH up, and 62s in the tupperware. In the summer I switch, to keep RH down in the humidors. I've always wondered (although not enough to try it) who would win if I put, say, a 62 and a 69 in a tupperdor together without any cigars. The higher humidity will drain the lower. I tried that experiment a few years ago and that how I figured out how to recharge all my boveda packs 1
spicycorona Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 I have 72s in my humidors right now because it's very dry here in winter. About a month before I start smoking more (mid spring) im goin to change them out for 65s. They're hovering around 71%. I was under the impression that higher humidity would age faster, so I'm trying that since almost all of my cigars are fresh. We'll see how it turns out.
Maplepie Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 I personally don't really see a difference in the end. Especially with the tupperdores. Just make them above 65 and all should be well. Really don't need to worry about that much. I just had a humidor drop down to 50% that I forgot in the back of one of my couches. I opened it up with a bunch of drastically low cigars. After a big Boveda 65 and 3 of those small 69 packs, it's back up to 63 and climbing. I don't worry too much about the percentage on the readings unless i'm restoring certain cigars.
Shikar Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 Where is a economical place to buy Boveda packs? Regards
spicycorona Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 On 3/21/2015 at 7:05 PM, Shikar said: Where is a economical place to buy Boveda packs? Regards Amazon. No tax, free shipping. 1
Quint Posted March 21, 2015 Posted March 21, 2015 Remember RH is temperature related. A 65 RH at 65 degrees has a lower moisture content than 65 RH at 70 degrees. If your finding big differences in how you like your cigars in just a few RH percentage points you may need to control temp. 2
Duxnutz Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 John, I just recently ordered some 62% Bovedas to put in my small tupperware 'ready to smoke' box as a try out. Use 65% for my cubans anyhow but do like a dryer cigar as humid as it's been here.
earthson Posted March 22, 2015 Posted March 22, 2015 On 3/21/2015 at 7:21 PM, spicycorona said: Amazon. No tax, free shipping. Maybe it's the state I live in, but Amazon charges me tax on everything now... even when the order ships from out of state!
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