omartout Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 So far for cubans its been Vegas Robaina Unicos coming in at #18. Never tried these...thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliverdst Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Sadly CJ has become CA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbandz Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 And CA has nothing to offer me..... VR Unicos,,,,,,,,,good example of the marque.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliverdst Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 The current issue is very good but it's really going down as a rule. About the ranking (this is the thread about) I can't help you, buddy but there a lot of NC smokers here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuffDaddie Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I do not follow CA any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forgop Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 NC adverti$er$ mu$t have a bigger pre$ence, huh? These ranking$ are alway$ influenced by dollar$. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPORTER Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Agree CA very one-sided Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omartout Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 I never read CA and don't take a lot of their reviews seriously. They seem to hand out 90s like they are going out style. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw15825 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I was looking at the top 25 of 2013 issue of Cigar Aficionado. It amuses me a little more each time I look. I mean the 3 Cubans that were in the list. Total of 3. 22 NC Cigars. Again and said it before. Free market economics.+ advertising = $$$$$$. Who does an all Cuban review that would be more accurate? Foh has a ton of info im not sure I know of another good one. Maybe we could set up a poll for all cubans here. Sticks that have been out about all year. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmill3r Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 And CA has nothing to offer me..... VR Unicos,,,,,,,,,good example of the marque.......... Would you say they differ a whole lot from Famosos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgravito Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I don't pay much attention to them. You know who's opinions I trust? Mine. I'll let the opinions of the people in this forum lead me in a certain direction, but ultimately no one knows what I like more than me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulP Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 NC adverti$er$ mu$t have a bigger pre$ence, huh? These ranking$ are alway$ influenced by dollar$. Last year CA selected the Monte 2 as its number 1 cigar of the year. I heard that Castro personally wrote the check for that rating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLB03TT Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 "It's a laugh, such a laugh, it's so stupid I gotta laugh." Daryl Hall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helix Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Ha Ha!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duxnutz Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Not worth the virtual paper its written on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jones Posted December 16, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2014 I stopped reading the list when I saw gurkha... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almudawi Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 The demise of the European Cigar Journal is really sad. I cancelled my subscription once they became the "American" Cigar Journal. While I don't smoke much NCs I believe that there are some decent ones around. But there is no way in hell that a top 25 cigars list is dominated by NCs with only 2 Cubans making the list. It puts the magazine integrity under a massive question mark! Sad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafLover Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Gurkha shouldn't be on any list. Except on the daily auction or free fall at CI. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I had an Alec Bradley Black Market Robusto while in Toronto recently. I only had the one and it was solidly decent if one dimensional (toasted choc note). Definately a top 200 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laficion Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 It's more of an American thing for N.C.'s that doesn't concern the rest of the world and plus, C.J. has become C.A. so !!!!!!! I'm French plus I don't have the money to read that kind of ratings on N.C.'s that are JUST for the U.S.A.The rest of the world Is Habanos anyway . Guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papatrips Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 In the last year there has been a huge offering of most of these cigars in Europe and the East. I get emails all the time with NC flash sales. Even got one today. Is it a combination of NC companies and Retailers branching out? Retailers and Manufacturers worried with the ever-ending "end" of the embargo and Cuban stock being allocated elsewhere? It just seems that there is a huge amount of NC offerings and advertising money targeting the European and East markets. Only two Cubans on that list is astonishing and leaves me scratching my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedman05 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 While I think that is a horrible list, and do not agree with many of those cigars, I do think that there is a big increase in NC tobacco quality and ability to grow flavorful tobacco. Most of you guys will obviously side with CC's being king, but there is no doubt that the NC growers are sure making some very good quality stuff that is reaching other palates. Cigar F^iend 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 In the last year there has been a huge offering of most of these cigars in Europe and the East. I get emails all the time with NC flash sales. Even got one today. Is it a combination of NC companies and Retailers branching out? Retailers and Manufacturers worried with the ever-ending "end" of the embargo and Cuban stock being allocated elsewhere? It just seems that there is a huge amount of NC offerings and advertising money targeting the European and East markets. Only two Cubans on that list is astonishing and leaves me scratching my head. it is mutually beneficial. NC manufacturers need to grow their international markets as a normal commercial opportunity as well as a risk buffer to an embargo end. Distributors/major retailers have the same requirements. Up until now, outside of Dunhill, Davifoff, Fuente, Padron, few have cracked the major premium outside US market. Rocky Patel is giving it a serious shake. Plenty have tried and failed. Outside of the US. With advertising bans, shrinking tobacco displays, increased smoking legislation etc....it is not easy to penetrate a market if you are a new entrant. You need deep pockets, patience, an excellent product and committed non US distributor/retailer partners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliverdst Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 it is not easy to penetrate a market if you are a new entrant. You need deep pockets, patience, an excellent product and committed non US distributor/retailer partners. Michael Porter says the same. I read his bestseller many years ago. Would be fun revisit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 it is mutually beneficial. NC manufacturers need to grow their international markets as a normal commercial opportunity as well as a risk buffer to an embargo end. Distributors/major retailers have the same requirements. Up until now, outside of Dunhill, Davifoff, Fuente, Padron, few have cracked the major premium outside US market. Rocky Patel is giving it a serious shake. Plenty have tried and failed. Outside of the US. With advertising bans, shrinking tobacco displays, increased smoking legislation etc....it is not easy to penetrate a market if you are a new entrant. You need deep pockets, patience, an excellent product and committed non US distributor/retailer partners. Pretty sure Rob Fox could enlighten us on this matter... What is going to happen, what is the next 5 years forecast on the market penetration of NCs in Europe? How is the general public/consumer reacting to the appearance of these new products and what is the consumer feedback post consumption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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