El Presidente Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Rumour doing the rounds the past month or so is that Behike production will be taken away from El Laguito and transferred to the Pinar fabrica. last week while in Habana I didn't hear anything to the contrary albeit I only inquired discretely to the few reliable sources I have. Interesting thing last week is that I saw only a handful of any Behike boxes in any of the LCDH. Supply with distributors around the world (incoming from Cuba) is little to non existent currently. For those more in the know, fill us in without revealing your source (there is no need). I can understand the need for increased production but to take away the benchmark Cohiba from El Laguito (yes I know some are rolled elsewhere but the majority have been EL), appears to be a gamble and a half.....particularly given the standard of Trini's coming out of Pinar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac77 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 I was informed, while in Havana last week, that the rumour of moving Behike production to the Pinar fabrica is indeed true. I was also told that the current El Laguito factory code is MUO so if you see a recent Behike box come out without this code it is likely not a El Laguito rolled. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianbeaver Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 What does this mean for the cigars we have in our humidors now? Are they going to be "the good ones"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puros Y Vino Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Another rumor we heard here was to avoid BHK's with a post MAY 2014 box code as there is considered to be little to none medio tempo within due to all the growing issues experienced this year. The source is reputable. Grain of salt of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliverdst Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Why produce Behike's if they can double band Cohiba's and have even more profit? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverickdrinker Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Another rumor we heard here was to avoid BHK's with a post MAY 2014 box code as there is considered to be little to none medio tempo within due to all the growing issues experienced this year. The source is reputable. Grain of salt of course. X2. Heard that bhk production has moved already for the most part....just a matter of time for the remaining production in EL to stop.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAZ Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Had no idea this was going on. Thanks for sharing guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 Glass Half Full.....It would be great to see more regular production Cohiba coming out of EL. It may also turn the spotlight on Pinar to get their act together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonVivant Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 If BHK production is moving away from El Laguito, what is going to be produced there? So far no Edicion Limitada, no Cohiba Pyramides, no Siglo V for years, etc...hmmmm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maplepie Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Rumour doing the rounds the past month or so is that Behike production will be taken away from El Laguito and transferred to the Pinar fabrica. That means Trinidads will suffer.... No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted November 27, 2014 Author Share Posted November 27, 2014 That means Trinidads will suffer.... No? Hard to believe they could suffer any more. You would think there is a strategy to maintain quality of Behike. maybe it will spill over into Trinis. god knows Trini's could use an input of consistency/quality over the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramon_cojones Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 this is actually quite good news if true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpInSmoak Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Is this the reason I was able to find MUO Siglo II? Resources are now available in EL to roll less expensive sticks? As RC commented above, should be good news!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 It may also turn the spotlight on Pinar to get their act together. if they can't manage to do that when they are rolling one of the supposedly flagship brands already, what on earth would make you think things would change there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bclass1 Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Does anyone have an inclination as to why they would move the BHK production to Pinar? I cannot assume it's to cut costs on labor, if any. This just seems too odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puros Y Vino Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Does anyone have an inclination as to why they would move the BHK production to Pinar? I cannot assume it's to cut costs on labor, if any. This just seems too odd. Putting the raw product and final product closer together makes some sense. I wonder if the move has to do with lowering the "shrinkage" of the rolled product? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtrimbath Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Does this mean I should hold off on buying a box of Behike? With how much they cost I wouldn't want to get a substandard box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puros Y Vino Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Does this mean I should hold off on buying a box of Behike? With how much they cost I wouldn't want to get a substandard box. It's all "rumors" at this point. I'm sure our host can give you some good counsel on what he has in stock. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewipper Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Are we assuming that the Pinar factory is, in fact, the Vegueros factory. They could just as easily produce at the factory rolling the Robaina cigars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guybrush Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Yesterday I bought two boxes of Partagas D4s just a couple of hours BEFORE reading this thread. The boxes look very nice. I was happy to find them. The Box Code is: MUO SEP 14 They rolled the D4s in El Laguito? Instead of the Behikes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 I don't get their business model (or lack of) ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Another rumor we heard here was to avoid BHK's with a post MAY 2014 box code as there is considered to be little to none medio tempo within due to all the growing issues experienced this year. What difference could it make? I still have to hear or read an educated review about the contribution of the medio tiempo in the Cohiba blend, and when one digs a little in old books, one realizes that this element, when available, has always been used as a ligero leaf, without special mention… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puros Y Vino Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 What difference could it make? I still have to hear or read an educated review about the contribution of the medio tiempo in the Cohiba blend, and when one digs a little in old books, one realizes that this element, when available, has always been used as a ligero leaf, without special mention… I agree. What this leaf adds to the blend is not known. The difference is the potential lack of it's presence. Whether or not that changes the perception of the smoker will vary. Should this rumor be "true". How would you feel about the 1) Complete absence of the MT leaf. 2.) Reduced amount of MT leaf per cigar? Wouldn't you feel somewhat cheated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginseng Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 What difference could it make? I still have to hear or read an educated review about the contribution of the medio tiempo in the Cohiba blend, and when one digs a little in old books, one realizes that this element, when available, has always been used as a ligero leaf, without special mention… That is one question. What if any differential or unique contribution does the MT provide as opposed to any other like leaf that could be substituted. It seems that what you're saying is that you have 1) not read any credible account on that point but 2) that where used historically, it has been considered reasonably comparable to a ligero. As for Frank's post that you quoted, he clarified in the follow up. I would further clarify and link to the points I think you're trying to make above: not what its absence could mean for the cigar, but what substitution with ligero, v seco, v anything else could do to change the profile or development. I wouldn't feel cheated if I couldn't tell the difference. At least, intellectually I wouldn't have any basis to feel cheated. However, in this endeavor, it's fair to say any change to tradition would be scrutinized and fretted upon to varying degrees. This is to be expected. Wilkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac77 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 What difference could it make? I still have to hear or read an educated review about the contribution of the medio tiempo in the Cohiba blend, and when one digs a little in old books, one realizes that this element, when available, has always been used as a ligero leaf, without special mention… What do you consider an educated review? The Medio Tiempo leaf prior to the early 2000's was not recognized as having qualities that are different from ligero. It was not until more recently that it has been harvested separately and processed as a type of leaf of its own with different qualities than what one normally considers ligero. As a result I am not surprised that you would not find it in the "old books" you refer to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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