FLB03TT Posted January 11, 2014 Posted January 11, 2014 I'm extremely concerned that the US demand for CCs will totally bury and f-up Habanos S.A. and quality will plummet. I, for one, hope that the embargo is not lifted. I don't see how Habanos S.A. could possibly meet the increased demand and the likely outcome would be dramatically increased prices for years to come. What are the the thoughts of the FOH?
Larsy Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Think there was a recent discussion on here regarding that subject
FLB03TT Posted January 12, 2014 Author Posted January 12, 2014 Who really cares about you and your US demand ..so long as the people of Cuba have a better life. You hope the embargo is not lifted posting from North America .because your worried about cigar quality .. very single minded post ! The people, presumably you included, who enjoy high quality CCs. Do you think lifting the embargo ensures that the people of Cuba will have a better life? I don't think it's that simple. Their entire socioeconomic system needs an overhaul to begin to enable "the people of Cuba" to have a "better life."
FLB03TT Posted January 12, 2014 Author Posted January 12, 2014 http://www.friendsof...6624&hl=embargo Thanks for the heads-up. I must have missed it. Good read.
westg Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 I'm extremely concerned that the US demand for CCs will totally bury and f-up Habanos S.A. and quality will plummet. I, for one, hope that the embargo is not lifted. I don't see how Habanos S.A. could possibly meet the increased demand and the likely outcome would be dramatically increased prices for years to come. What are the the thoughts of the FOH? The people, presumably you included, who enjoy high quality CCs. Do you think lifting the embargo ensures that the people of Cuba will have a better life? I don't think it's that simple. Their entire socioeconomic system needs an overhaul to begin to enable "the people of Cuba" to have a "better life." would be a good start...perhaps they would see what is available to them. As for xucking things up as you put it and being buried Habanos has a monopoly on it's product and are likely to increase prices because they control the supply. They aren't going to flood the market with their exclusive brand, lowering the prestige of their product. So much more to worry about in Cuba than cigars..
garbandz Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Maybe the online sites could drop-ship from Cuba.They could ship on the Miami to Havana ferry each day,and help to subsidise the route.They would arrive fresher and faster. We could possibly get our cigars at a lower price since they would only have to ship them 90 or so miles to the US instead of from Europe.........
Duxnutz Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 I certainly hope i see it in my life time. Its blooddy stupid and hypocritical. Plus i've got a thousand plus cigars to liquidate if i ever move back to the States.
El Presidente Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Please lift it. If my cigar business falls I couldn't give a rat's arse. To see the children of my friends in Cuba have a better future (opportunity) is more than I could ever ask for in return.
Smallclub Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 We could possibly get our cigars at a lower price since they would only have to ship them 90 or so miles to the US instead of from Europe......... you get them at a low price precisely because they're shipped from duty free zones in Europe…
Jah Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 How much further can quality control really plummet? Sent from my XT907 using Tapatalk
Newkarian Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Im all for lifting it. I would love to travel with my cuban friends to visit their families. Logistically right now it is tough.
thebigk Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 I would like to see it lifted but anybody who thinks it will fix Cuba is full of them self We are one country what is the rest of the world doing to help No matter what happens if the powers of Cuba do not change it will still be the way it is My 2 cents
stunod Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 How much further can quality control really plummet? Sent from my XT907 using Tapatalk Lots. Lol. And the prices would skyrocket. IMO
aes8 Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 I'm extremely concerned that the US demand for CCs will totally bury and f-up Habanos S.A. and quality will plummet. I, for one, hope that the embargo is not lifted. I don't see how Habanos S.A. could possibly meet the increased demand and the likely outcome would be dramatically increased prices for years to come. What are the the thoughts of the FOH? Yeah let's all hope a brutal, repressive dictator stays in power so all of us in the US can have access to affordable premium quality sticks. And before you make the argument that Casto does not equal the embargo I'll just say that you are incorrect. Rob is dead on correct.
aes8 Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Try now. Apologies to OP for thread jack. aes9 Clean up your messages trying to message you! LOL
CaptainQuintero Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 How much further can quality control really plummet? Sent from my XT907 using Tapatalk I take it you're not a friend of habanos lol? QC is vastly improved. You're more likely to get a wind tunnel NC than a plugged CC from recent production now in my experience
Hiroshiro Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 I take it you're not a friend of habanos lol? QC is vastly improved. You're more likely to get a wind tunnel NC than a plugged CC from recent production now in my experience True...My NC friend gave me an Ortega Serie D? I think that is what it is and he loves them but way too open for my Liking. So far no Plugging issues with CCs but windtunnels with the Few NCs I've tried
MPS Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Please lift it. If my cigar business falls I couldn't give a rat's arse. To see the children of my friends in Cuba have a better future (opportunity) is more than I could ever ask for in return. Very well said. Those that don't understand this do not have family or good friends there who are suffering from the current situation.
El Presidente Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 Maybe the online sites could drop-ship from Cuba.They could ship on the Miami to Havana ferry each day,and help to subsidise the route.They would arrive fresher and faster. We could possibly get our cigars at a lower price since they would only have to ship them 90 or so miles to the US instead of from Europe......... A US distributor will be appointed (100% controlled by HSA). A significant amount of pressure will be put on Global Distributors who supply Net retailers to stop or slowdown online shipments into the US. Right now such supply to the US it is to HSA's benefit. Should it open up then they (HSA) would want to maximise return and price point positioning. They don't need pesky online retailers undercutting them It will be a bloodbath in the commercial cigar world
El Presidente Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 I would like to see it lifted but anybody who thinks it will fix Cuba is full of them self We are one country what is the rest of the world doing to help My 2 cents The rest of the world has normal commercial relationships with Cuba. That is normal commercial relationships with a country that: Is a commercial basketcase Provides no secrity of investment No transparency Huge political risk No legal security So you are right in that Cuba needs a top down bottom up restructure. it is the reason why foreign investment is limited. My Cuban friends can't change those conditions. What a US embargo lifting will do in the short term is: Add a million tourists a year (conservative) and the cash that they bring. Add to the impetus for change. Just because Cuba will need another 50,000 hotel rooms in havana alone doesn't mean US Hotel corporations will flock to develop them given the investment climate posted previously. It will however put tremendous pressure on the Cuban Govt to introduce Investment transparency and certainty. One step closer to a better society in Cuba for all. Lifting the embargo will force the Cuban govt to answer to its people as to why things are not getting done. For 50 years they have been pointing their finger at the US (in many cases conveniently). Put the acid on them by taking away the excuses.
thebigk Posted January 12, 2014 Posted January 12, 2014 You are right Prez tourism would be the driving force behind change
FLB03TT Posted January 13, 2014 Author Posted January 13, 2014 The rest of the world has normal commercial relationships with Cuba. That is normal commercial relationships with a country that: Is a commercial basketcase Provides no secrity of investment No transparency Huge political risk No legal security So you are right in that Cuba needs a top down bottom up restructure. it is the reason why foreign investment is limited. My Cuban friends can't change those conditions. What a US embargo lifting will do in the short term is: Add a million tourists a year (conservative) and the cash that they bring. Add to the impetus for change. Just because Cuba will need another 50,000 hotel rooms in havana alone doesn't mean US Hotel corporations will flock to develop them given the investment climate posted previously. It will however put tremendous pressure on the Cuban Govt to introduce Investment transparency and certainty. One step closer to a better society in Cuba for all. Lifting the embargo will force the Cuban govt to answer to its people as to why things are not getting done. For 50 years they have been pointing their finger at the US (in many cases conveniently). Put the acid on them by taking away the excuses. Rob, I believe your summary of the current state of affairs in Cuba is complete and accurate. I would now like to man-up and willingly enter the confessional and admit that the comments in my original post were driven by selfish, rather than humanitarian reasons. I will gladly say a penance of three Our Fathers and two Hail Marys if we can get on to a larger issue. As Rob points out, Cuba has normalized relations with the rest of the free and not so free world, but still finds itself in a world of hurt. This problem may not be helped by the US embargo which I feel is ineffectual at this stage of the game, but certainly is not caused by the continued embargo. The US continues to find itself in the unenviable position of being responsible for spearheading the international coalition against most, if not all, injustices throughout the free and not so free world we all live in. The reason for the Cuban embargo are rooted in Cold War fears, which now are effectively mute. The perpetuation of the embargo are now rooted in an attempt to punish a fascist regime for containing humanitarian injustices. Without regime change, and most probably, a complete overhaul of the socio-political system currently in place SHOULD the embargo be lifted? The bleeding heart, knee-jerk commentary regarding the desire that the US lift this repressive embargo need to be thought thru more thoroughly. I cannot deny that lifting it would help to swing the pendulum and I believe it will be lifted within a matter of years, if not sooner. The actual timing should, and I think will, be based on the continuing reforms taking place in Cuba, as we speak. Enjoying a fantastic Upmann Mag. 46 as I write this.
aes8 Posted January 13, 2014 Posted January 13, 2014 I would now like to man-up and willingly enter the confessional and admit that the comments in my original post were driven by selfish, rather than humanitarian reasons. I will gladly say a penance of three Our Fathers and two Hail Marys if we can get on to a larger issue Fair enough.
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