mychetboy Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 RASS Quai D. Corona Cohiba Siglo 4 HDM Epicure 1 Partagas 898 Montecristo 4 - HQ Bolivar Bel. Upmann Sir Win. Juan Lop. 2 SLR Regios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveGriff Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 H. Upmann Half Corona Rafael Gonzalez Perlas Ramon Allones Short Club Coronas Trinidad Reyes Quintero Londres Extras Montecristo No. 1 Montecristo No. 4 Romeo y Julieta Exhibition No. 3 Hoyo de Monterrey Petit Robusto Saint Luis Rey Regios Partagas Serie D. No. 4 Cohiba Robusto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 This is true marketing research, is it not? What I mean by this, and if this was a serous quest and I were a cigar maker, is that I would first need to define both the beginner smoker and the beginner cigar. What do those definitions mean? As I see it, a beginner cigar is not a second rate cigar. I mean who thinks that you are going get a new customer by selling him/her crap? I don't. You must define your goal and the customer! Do you introduce wine (I don't drink the stuff myself) to a neophyte by pouring them the most expensive cabernet? Of course not. Does this mean that one must get weened on pablum, mediocre or tasteless product to introduce them to product itself? Again, of course not! First I see the beginning smoker as a person who you don't want to inundate and overwhelm with an individual cigar. A robust (not robusto) cigar is not necessarily excluded from the mix, however. What you don't want to do however is make your first cigar experience one where you go home and puke your guts out. I am defining tastes, as in small tastes, such as dim sum. The duration of the smoking experience then is an important aspect of the first few smoking experiences. So I have defined the beginner cigar as a smaller cigar. A cigar that is not imposing, uncomfortable, a realistic goal to start and finish! What else is there? Well there is budget. Most beginners start slowly in many interests. We are discussing then, gateway, verses mainstream product lines. Small cigars then, in a range of vitolas, blends and brands are the best way to introduce the neophyte to the product. The costs of these cigars should be extremely low. They should be this way as a means to remove the risk of loss on one or many early transactions. The price point should encourage purchases, many of them and minimize risk to the customer. The price point should encourage purchases, not discourage them! The larger catalogue, and the expanded range of cigars allow smokers to expand their horizons, explore new experiences and mature. Moving freely though sizes and vitolas allows the smoker to experience, evolve, re-experience, mature and change as often and as long as he/she sees fit to keep his/her interests… The range of experiences of the current catalogue is pitiful! What is worse, they saved the worst cigars (MHO). They saved the mediocre at the cost of the complex in the attempt to force the consumer instead of address the consumer. In doing so, they killed the gateway products and the seasoned smokers connoisseur products. The pablum, the insipid is about all that is left. Want a thriving product line? I suggest firing the goose-stepping morons at Tabacuba. Cheers! -the Pig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS72 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 PL Montecarlos HDM Epi 2 RyJ WC RASS PSD4 Dip 2 Boli PC Monte 4 HU Sir Winnie HDM Des Dieux SLR Regios QDO Corona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potpest Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 HU Royal Robusto Partagas P2 Cuaba Tradicionales Monte 4 Hoyo DC BBF PL Montecarlos JL2 RASS SLR Serie A RyJ Cazadores Boli PC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgravito Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I feel like the sampler should have a regular production cigar that is the best representation of the marca. Maybe it's the most popular or not necessarily the most well regarded. Maybe because of the wide range of flavor profiles you could divide it in to 2 different samplers Sampler A Bolivar PC Cohiba Robusto Dip No. 2 H. Upmann No. 2 HDM Epicure No. 2 Montecristo No. 4 Partagas Serie D NO. 4 Punch Punch RASS RYJ Short Churchill Sampler B SCDLH La Punta ERDM Choix Supreme Trinidad Reyes Vegas Robainas Famosos Juan Lopez PC Cuaba Divinos Quai D'Orsay Imperiales Por Larañaga PC SLR Serie A Sancho Panza Non Plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverickdrinker Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 1. Montecristo No. 4 2. Cohiba Siglo II 3. RASCC 4. H Upmann Half Corona 5. Bolivar PC 6. ERDM CS 7. Quay D'Orsay Corona 8. Party Short 9. RG Perla 10. BHK 54 11. Cohiba lancero 12. Trinidad Fundadore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverickdrinker Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 or...... Cohiba Siglo I to VI, lancero, esplendido, robusto, CCE, BHK 54, Piramides Extra I keed...... I keed...... sort of. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordAnubis Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 or...... Cohiba Siglo I to VI, lancero, esplendido, robusto, CCE, BHK 54, Piramides Extra I keed...... I keed...... sort of. LOL When i was putting my list in i was actually thinking this would be a great idea, to show what different sizes of the same brand do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mm12 Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Bolivar Coronas Junior Cohiba Siglo III Diplomaticos 2 H. Upmann Magnum 46 Monte Especial No. 1 PLPC Partagas 898 Q D'O Imperiales RASS RyJ Wide Churchill SLR DC Trinidad Reyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marker Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 RG Petite Coronas HUP #2 RASCC Party Short San Cris el principe BRC QdO corona PLPC Monte #2 VR Don Alejandro Punch Punch CoRo Those 12 Another 3 to think about. SLR A JL2 Hoyo Epi#2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsy Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 In no order: Monte 2 Partagas Short (or D4) Cohiba Robusto HDM Epi 2 Boli PC RASS HU Mag 50 (or 46) QDO Corona VR Famosos (Or Unicos) R&J Short Church or WC ERDM CS Dip 2 This list is perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyfall Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 This list is perfect. Why thank you! You must be a true gentleman and scholar to have such an astute eye for genius and perfection! Well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habanos2000 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Is anyone tabulating these results? (Not trying to volunteer)however it would be interesting to see which 12 are actually the most recommended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenMonkey Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 or...... Cohiba Siglo I to VI, lancero, esplendido, robusto, CCE, BHK 54, Piramides Extra I keed...... I keed...... sort of. LOL I actually love the idea of the "big cohiba sampler". Maybe not for a beginners' introduction to Cuban cigars, though. But I'd like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerfan Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 I think a 6x2 would work best, juuuuuust in case you get a bad one. A beginner might swear off the brand forever as shite. My thoughts on the dozen would be a pair of the following: 1. Monte no.4 2. Cohiba Siglo II 3. H.Upmann Mag 46 4. HdM Epicure no.2 5. Juan Lopez No.2 6. Party Shorts If you were intent on offering a 12er, these six as additions: 7. Trinidad Reyes 8. Partagas D no.4 9. RASS 10. Monte No.2 (they're always gonna wonder) 11. Cohiba Robusto 12. HU Royal Robusto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckSARTech Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Haven't looked at anyone else's lists, but here's mine in no particular order, and keeping in mind these blends/formats are for a nice beginner footing: Montecristo No. 4 RASS H. Upmann Magnum 46 tubos Cohiba Robusto PLPC RyJ Romeo No. 2 tubos QdO Corona Partagas Serie P No. 2 tubos Montecristo No. 2 HdM Epi No. 1 or 2 Duh. Just realized I only did 10.... 11. Trinidad Reyes or Coloniales 12. SCDLH El Principe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyfall Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Haven't looked at anyone else's lists, but here's mine in no particular order, and keeping in mind these blends/formats are for a nice beginner footing: Montecristo No. 4 RASS H. Upmann Magnum 46 tubos Cohiba Robusto PLPC RyJ Romeo No. 2 tubos QdO Corona Partagas Serie P No. 2 tubos Montecristo No. 2 HdM Epi No. 1 or 2 Duh. Just realized I only did 10.... 11. Trinidad Reyes or Coloniales 12. SCDLH El Principe Keith, nobody asked you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckSARTech Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 To the great minds of the board .... Keith, nobody asked you! Ummmm..... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...yup, you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyfall Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Ummmm..... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...yup, you're right. LOL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuintero Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Punch and erdm not doing well :s To be fair they aren't something I'd think to reach for if I was giving someone their first habano experience with what is left of the marcas currently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blace Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Is anyone tabulating these results? (Not trying to volunteer)however it would be interesting to see which 12 are actually the most recommended. According to my count of what has been posted to date this is the top 12 recommendations; 1. RASS 2. HdM Epicure No. 2 3. Montecristo No. 2 4. Montecristo No. 4 5. Bolivar PC 6. Partagas D4 7. CoRo 8. QdO Corona 9. H. Upmann Magnum 46 10. PLPC 11. Party Short 12. Trinidad Reyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtdigger Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Let me know when it is compiled and available. I am extremely interested in something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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