Most overrated cigar ?

[potpest]

The CA cigar of 2012. The Flor De Antillas. I wasn't a big fan.

X2 - A one dimensional wind tunnel lacking any distinct flavours

[dvickery]

I find people think of overpriced and overrated as the same word...I don't believe these two words mean the same thing tho.

derrek

[seamus]

I find people think of overpriced and overrated as the same word...I don't believe these two words mean the same thing tho.

derrek

Agreed. Some people consider cost in their ratings though and I think that's were the confusion is.

I don't think cost should be a factor. I wouldn't give an 85 an 88 because it was $3, same for the other way.

Between this thread and the NC thread a blind tasting fiver would be interesting.

[CanuckSARTech]

Agreed. Some people consider cost in their ratings though and I think that's were the confusion is.

I don't think cost should be a factor. I wouldn't give an 85 an 88 because it was $3, same for the other way...

Very well put, and agreed.

I think that way too many people do that - they factor in the cost when reviewing and rating. However, I do think that it's definitely viable to factor in the cost of a cigar after-the-fact of a review score, and to use that combination to decide on whether a purchase is warranted or not. With your example above, an 88 score cigar that cost $10 per stick may be a no, whereas an 85 score cigar that was only $3 a stick may be good to go. So, there is that.

But I agree that too many people factor the cost into the score beforehand. There's some that I can think of off the top of my head (both us "amateurs" and pro online reviewers) that notoriously do that, and say because this A cigar costs X amount, it isn't as high-scoring as that B cigar that's worth Y amount.....and usually even before the A cigar is even smoked. People's preconceptions and prejudices coming to bear.

[Dozerhead]

I do tend to factor in price. If a company, in this case Habanos, S.A., thinks that their premium line, Cohiba, is worth such a ridiculous price point, then I will definitely use that as part of the process of determining whether or not I think a cigar is overrated. For the price that the various vitolas go for then they should almost never be dull, underfilled, bland, plugged, or otherwise underwhelming. Don't get me wrong, I have smoked some Cohibas that have blown me away (mostly Robustos, ime) but more often than not, I come away disappointed from Cohiba, whether it be a BHK, Siglo, or any other part of the Marca.

[CaptainQuintero]

Price has to be a factor for me, for example the RG Perla is a solid 89 or 90 point cigar imo. The Cohiba PE is about the same for my tastes too. But one is 4 euro and the other is 40 euro. they both get the same 'rating' but due ot the price/value the Perla might as well get an extra 10 points if it's a straight comparison between the two.

When you stack up the CPE against something like a QDO corona which I rate mid 90s, then hell you might as well add 20 points to the QDO because of the price/value

[LGC]

PLPC for me. From 2000 to 2008, DBs and cabs, I haven't had an impressive one yet.

[Lant63]

what cohibas have you guys smoked? I want to get a better understanding of the context from which you two speak if at all possible

thanks

I agree, I have some fivers of 2010 Siglo 2 3 and CE and they are oustanding! If i can fit a box of 2012 stock of 4s into my budget I feel I will be greatly rewarded in three years.

[SCgarman]

Over-priced= Cohiba and Trinidad. Simply not enough bang for the buck.

Over-rated=El Rey del Mundo Choix supreme. Really do not know why folks like these. They are virtually flavorless and I puff and puff trying to get something out of these.

FYI- RASS is by far my favorite stick. And I do believe these deserve all the love they get from their fans.

[Lant63]

X2 - A one dimensional wind tunnel lacking any distinct flavours

X3 = 6 votes for that! really disappointed with those, There are much better NC out there let alone CC.

[ramon_cojones]

I agree, I have some fivers of 2010 Siglo 2 3 and CE and they are oustanding! If i can fit a box of 2012 stock of 4s into my budget I feel I will be greatly rewarded in three years.

i think you may be right, my suspicion is folks trying bhks and cpes then making blanket generalizations about the entire line which is completely wrong

cohiba is not my favorite marca but i don't believe they deserve the hate they are getting in this threak

[Smallclub]

my suspicion is folks trying bhks and cpes then making blanket generalizations about the entire line which is completely wrong

Wrong? I'm sorry but when an occasional amateur purchases a pricey cigar that is supposed to be the best money can buy, he's entitled to expect a memorable experience.

If the cigar is unpleasant because it's too young or because the production is inconsistent, your occasional amateur will be convinced that the cigar is overrated, or that it shouldn't be offered for sale before it's mature…

[ramon_cojones]

your post has nothing to do with my post

and fwiw i don't disagree with you

[CurtisEss]

This is a tough question to answer. I don't feel like I'm qualified to say something is overrated if I've only smoked a few out of one box and didn't revisit it because I didn't like it. Plus, I don't feel like you can reasonably ask to be blown away by every one of a given cigar that you smoke, even if it is expensive. One can't force getting blown away just by selecting a particular cigar from his or her humidor. I think one has to be open to the experience of being blown away and embrace it as it comes, but expecting the best is just a recipe for disappointment. For example, I have smoked some 95 point Cohiba Robustos, but the worst ones were always the first I smoked after those because I was expecting them to be 95 point cigars, and they weren't. That being said, save for a Punch Super Robusto I smoked recently that was probably the best cigar I've smoked in the past 12 months, the ones that have stood out in my memory have been less than $200 a box. One ERDM choix supreme (of a few), a 2013 La Gloria Cubana MDO #4 (over an aged #2) and just about every RG Perla I've smoked have blown me away or come close. I guess it's my blue collar taste buds.

[JohnLeupp]

I'd say Cohiba Esplendido - the Boli CG or Sir Winnie dominate this

Cohiba Siglo VI (BTW I think the IV is SPECTACULAR). They have been fine, but lacking richness or complexity that fans rave about

BHK 54 - I have quite enjoyed the 52s and 56s, but found the 54s lacking flavor

ERDM Choix Supreme - agree with earlier posts regarding lack of flavor

[DrunkenMonkey]

PLPC for me. From 2000 to 2008, DBs and cabs, I haven't had an impressive one yet.

Did they use to come in dress boxes of 25?

[Smallclub]

Did they use to come in dress boxes of 25?

Yes, but only in a few countries, before 2002. Mine were bought in Andorra, and they were considerably milder than the cab version.

[bassman]

Partagas D4, RASS, CORO, RyJ Churchill- regular short & wide. PLPC.

[Isotonic]

I think every cigar possible has just been declared over-rated on this thread. As earth shattering as it is I think what we have learned is just like everything else on planet earth, cigars are subjective. Some people drink Moscato, some people eat Quinoa and some people staggeringly buy a box of rancid kindling from Cuban Crafters.

[LGC]

As earth shattering as it is I think what we have learned is just like everything else on planet earth, cigars are subjective.

Despite the evidence in front of us, some folks don't see it this way... when presenting their own opinions.

[ramon_cojones]

I think every cigar possible has just been declared over-rated on this thread. As earth shattering as it is I think what we have learned is just like everything else on planet earth, cigars are subjective. Some people drink Moscato, some people eat Quinoa and some people staggeringly buy a box of rancid kindling from Cuban Crafters.

lol so true, bassman just named the 3 best robustos coming out of cuba

[PaulP]

Avoui` mon ami`! Have you tried their Cellar Reserve? THAT is a damn fine seegar, definitely. I agree the large majority of their cigars could use some "help"! But that one even made the No.1 rated cigar in Cigar Journal (formerly known as European Cigar-Cult Journal) in last year's rating. And it's hard to dispute a lot of their raters' opine! (sorry about any mis-spelled Francois`!)

FWIW the 2012 Cigar Journal No 1 cigar was the Oliva Serie V Dbl Toro. The Gurkha Cellar Reserve was the No 8 rated cigar of 2011.

[laficion]

The Gurkha Cellar Reserve was the No 8 rated cigar of 2011.

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THAT'S a whopper, It Is the worst cigar I've ever had, It's a REAL N.C..I don't know where they get their info from, May-be Norther Europe.But, It's for me, a Billy Goat statement , at least.

[Dozerhead]

I think every cigar possible has just been declared over-rated on this thread. As earth shattering as it is I think what we have learned is just like everything else on planet earth, cigars are subjective. Some people drink Moscato, some people eat Quinoa and some people staggeringly buy a box of rancid kindling from Cuban Crafters.

Yes, taste is subjective. Smoke what you like. I don't get worked up on which cigars people like or dislike because, in the end, it really doesn't matter, and tastes vary. I do enjoy hearing other opinions and getting other perspectives, though.

[PigFish]

...Or of course you could read the data another way!

Yeah, a lot of overrated cigar have been mentioned, but every cigar, certainly not. Now of course there is the time to come out of the wood work to prove me wrong, and I must admit that breezing trough the thread it was easy to miss a few. I can tell you that I certainly did not see a long list of mentions for cigars like:

the Monte Esp and Esp 2.

Diplomaticos, generally.

Rafael Gonzales, generally.

QdO Coronas.

Partagas Lonsdales, Coronas and Petit Coronas, SdC offerings.

RA Coronas and Petit Coronas.

Bolivar Coronas and Coronas Extras.

El Red del Mundo, (choke supreme exception)

Any RE's or EL's would certainly be an exception. Those are all overrated as well as overpriced.

Welcome to underrated! That small class of limited made fine cigars that Tabacuba has worked so hard to eliminate so that you could pay more for the class of the overrated cigars that you just mentioned. It is why I smoke the cigars listed above and have had so little interest in buying new ones!

What is left in the catalogue? Certainly not many underrated models, but surely a lot of what has been mentioned. Frankly I believe Tabacuba cares not about the quality of the smoke, nor the customer, not as long as they can sell sows' ears for silk purses!

When you finally mention every cigar in the catalogue, you will ultimately prove me right on the mindset of Tabacuba at least.

Cheers.