Cigars Loaded with Seco

[KB24]

What are some other cigars that are loaded with Seco besides the HdM Hoyo De Dieux? Cigars that are full of that creamy flavor?

-Patrick

[jawofboston]

What are some other cigars that are loaded with Seco besides the HdM Hoyo De Dieux? Cigars that are full of that creamy flavor?

-Patrick

HdM DCs are pretty damn creamy.

[Smallclub]

What are some other cigars that are loaded with Seco besides the HdM Hoyo De Dieux? Cigars that are full of that creamy flavor?

Creamy flavor/texture comes more from good volado than seco… and frankly I can't see how a 42rg cigar would be "loaded" with seco…

[mykeuva]

Creamy flavor/texture comes more from good volado than seco… and frankly I can't see how a 42rg cigar would be "loaded" with seco…

I thought volado was mostly used for binder/filler leaf as it doesn't impart much flavor and helps the burn quality, and seco was the leaf more responsible for cream flavors.

[PigFish]

Now that is a topic! What leaf does the cream texture come from? We are talking sensation right... not taste? Are we separating cream from unctuous feel?

Very interesting! I have no idea what leaf might cause this. I am without a clue! I have found cream in many cigars but I can't say that it has a brand attached to it. I am thinking that a stand out might just be the ERdM Grandes de Espana for me in individual cigars from memory. I may have to put the ERdM Lonsdale in there as well. With both stand outs being ERdM cigars in my case I still don't think I am willing to label it a brand characteristic, just an observation of my smoking of those two cigars.

Good topic though! -Piggy

[jawofboston]

Now that is a topic! What leaf does the cream texture come from? We are talking sensation right... not taste? Are we separating cream from unctuous feel?

Very interesting! I have no idea what leaf might cause this. I am without a clue! I have found cream in many cigars but I can't say that it has a brand attached to it. I am thinking that a stand out might just be the ERdM Grandes de Espana for me in individual cigars from memory. I may have to put the ERdM Lonsdale in there as well. With both stand outs being ERdM cigars in my case I still don't think I am willing to label it a brand characteristic, just an observation of my smoking of those two cigars.

Good topic though! -Piggy

Actually I was thinking about a creamy taste that cigars like the HdM DC have. It's not exactly like cream, but more like a sweet richness that could be called "creamy". Darn hard to put your finger on some of these things! I think creamy mouthfeel is sort of separate; I'm smoking a custom rolled cigar right now that has a very creamy smoke, but the flavors are more rich dried fruit than the sweet cream I see in the HdM.

[Smallclub]

We are talking sensation right... not taste? Are we separating cream from unctuous feel?

To me, "creamy" = texture. The "taste of cream" means nothing: crème fraîche? crème pâtissière? crème au beurre? crème anglaise? crème aux œufs? crème renversée? crème chantilly? crème mousseline? etc. etc.

[El Presidente]

My understanding from speaking with a host of rollers/supervisors/blenders over the years is that it is Seco which delivers "la crema dulce".

Almost to a man/woman they exclain that quality Seco is the key to a great cigar.

[TMS36]

Very interesting, I had always heard that Des Dieux was more woody than creamy. I may have to try one now, as I love the cream but not so much the wood

[kafreeman]

My understanding from speaking with a host of rollers/supervisors/blenders over the years is that it is Seco which delivers "la crema dulce".

Almost to a man/woman they exclain that quality Seco is the key to a great cigar.

Pete Johnson has said the same... seco brings the flavor.

[shrink]

I am thinking that a stand out might just be the ERdM Grandes de Espana for me in individual cigars from memory. I may have to put the ERdM Lonsdale in there as well.

Yep, ERdM GdE are wonderful examples!

[CanuckSARTech]

From various areas in "Cultivating a Tradition of Perfection", the insert book in H S.A.'s larger book/binder "The Complete Guide for Habanos' Enthusiasts":

• Ligero: the full-flavoured leaf from the top of the plant (...aged a minimum of two years)
  
  
• Seco: the medium-flavoured filler leaf from the middle (...need 12 to 18 months aging)
  
  
• Volado: lower leaves that supply the ligher-flavoured filler and binders (...aged for at least 9 months)
  
  

And then also....

Seco - ....describes the leaves of medium flavour taken from the middle of the plant, which contribute much to the cigar's aroma.

Volado - ...describes the light-flavoured leaves taken from the lower part of the plant, which help the cigar to burn.

[Stalebread]

I have a few Rafael Gonzalez Londales left that I certainly think of as being creamy in flavor. If I put them on a continuum they would be at the Creamy/Sweet end while something like a Partagas SP2 or a R&J Cazadore would be on the other end -- the Spicy/Earthy end.

[LeafLover]

I would say the Rafael Gonzalez Coronas Extra has that sweet/creamy profile. What an amazing cigar. Would love to try it in the Lonsdale format.

[MIKA27]

I must say one of THE standout cigars for me in 2011 was gifted to me by Steve (OZCUBAN) when he and his lovely wife came down to Melbourne just recently.

The cigar which IMO has a great amount of that creamy taste/feel is: Punch Super Robusto

Both Steve and I enjoyed one each after dinner and drinks at my place and since then, I have been looking at grabbing some more before they run out.

Another that comes to mind is a Punch Royal Selection 11, very nice indeed.

[ewipper]

Creamy cigars:

ERDM GDE

ERDM Choix Supreme (with age)

Hoyo DC (mid to late 90s)

Hoyo Du Dauphin (cream on steroids)

Hoyo Epi 1

Cohiba Esplendido 3-5 years old

Punch Monarca

Old PL Cigars

Monte Especial (5-10)

Monte Especial No. 2 (5-10)

H. Upmann Monarca (7 -10 years)

Sancho Panza Belicoso +10 years

Davidoff No. 1 (not surprising because it is blended from the GDE)

[Smallclub]

I would add the Trinidad Robusto Extra from the first batches (2005, early 2006); those produced recently seem to be stronger and to have lost that creamy quality…

[ewipper]

I would add the Trinidad Robusto Extra from the first batches (2005, early 2006); those produced recently seem to be stronger and to have lost that creamy quality…

Interesting parallel. I view those as buttery with is a flavor, as opposed to creamy, which is a texture.

[Stalebread]

Interesting parallel. I view those as buttery with is a flavor, as opposed to creamy, which is a texture.

Another take could be that both buttery and creamy are flavors. Texture or mouth feel of smoke could be described at velvety.

It's possible that talking about cigars and their various flavors and qualities is similar to what Humpty Dumpty said in "Through the Looking Glass",

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

[Kangaroo495]

Yep, ERdM GdE are wonderful examples!

Fk I love that cigar..... The Tainos is also brilliant. And yes - cream in both.

I get a bit of cream in RyJ Cedros and Bolivars (esp. the Gold Medal!)

[humidor]

For me, the creamy taste is associated with cocoa, chocolate, milk, caramel and other smooth taste.

A cigar who bite may mouth does not produce a creamy/smooth taste.

The strength does not necessarily affect a creamy taste, for example H. Upmann Sir Winston in my opinion deliver a strong creamy taste.

The leaf type, volado, seco or ligero affect the strength of the cigar, but not necessarily the creamy taste.

Really matters: the tobacco variety, areas where tobacco was grown, soil, climate, sun exposure (shade or sun grow), fermentation method, and aging (before rolling and after, in yours humidors).

As you know, a cigar taste becomes more and more creamy by aging in humidor.

[ewipper]

Another take could be that both buttery and creamy are flavors. Texture or mouth feel of smoke could be described at velvety.

It's possible that talking about cigars and their various flavors and qualities is similar to what Humpty Dumpty said in "Through the Looking Glass",

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

This is a brilliant post. Excellent. I agree. Half and Half has flavor. Velvet is texture.

[thechenman]

Fk I love that cigar..... The Tainos is also brilliant. And yes - cream in both.

I get a bit of cream in RyJ Cedros and Bolivars (esp. the Gold Medal!)

Good call on the RyJ Cedros Kanga...don't know how they escaped my mind, but I agree.

[Tarks]

For me, if I want a creamy, buttery cigar I reach for a recent production Robaina Famosos.

[cellinisart]

What are some other cigars that are loaded with Seco besides the HdM Hoyo De Dieux? Cigars that are full of that creamy flavor?

-Patrick

Des dieux are loaded with ligero, ever had a young one?

try the RG line and epi 1's