SCgarman Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 Here in the US we have a 2 hour talk radio show on Saturday's from noon till two called the Cigar Dave Show. He normally discusses non cuban cigars, anti smoking legislation, politics, alcoholic libations and such. Well he normally avoids cuban cigars like the plague, but this past Saturday he had a guest in the studio who had a box of Cuban Partagas 898 varnished. So for his stick pick of the week where he fires up a different cigar during every show he said he would be smoking the Cuban Partagas, which is something I have never heard him ever do. So, to make a long story short he went on with the show with both men smoking the 898's and at the end of the show he asked his guest his opinion of the cigar. Well, no suprise to me they both agreed that is was a total disappointment and that the cigar was completely one dimensional. Dave went on to say that his friend Nick Perdomo would probably laugh at the cigar and that a 6 to 7 dollar Dominican, Honduran or Nicaraguan cigar would blow away this 23 dollar Partagas. I guess some cigar smokers here in the states will just never accept Cubans and are hopelessly "brainwashed". More of the good stuff for some of us!
stargazer14 Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 "More of the good stuff for some of us! " That summed it up perfect for me.
LeafLover Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 To each his own. Perdomo cigars? Probably loves Arganese cigars as well.
Deemancpa Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 I can't listen to that guy anymore. Starting to become more on the political rhetoric side of things than cigar talk. Plus, advertisers are having an impact on some objectivity. D
traded Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 I used to listen to DogWatch Cigar Radio podcasts but not so much now. They have a segment every week (i think) called "the dark side" where they review one or more cubans. These guys are certainly more into the NC side of things - side of things, but they are more balanced that Cigar Dave sounds. I think the shows appeal to new smokers is its downfall for more experienced ones....basically, they are all over the place. They try to cover super inexpensive cigars to super premium non cubans to cubans. Also, they seem to be on the other end of the political spectrum as I so that gets frustrating after a while. With this honest review, I would definitely recommend you try an episode or 2. They are free on itunes. d
StumpyJoe Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 I listened to his show a few times but the 'schtick' is way too thick. I did hear a show some time ago where there was a Canadian caller that was talking about CCs...but it was a short call and talk returned to Non CCs. I also agree with the comment regarding advertising dollars.
Puros Y Vino Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 My guess is that many Americans view Cubans as "commies" therefore not much credence is given to their cigars. A lot of Cuban Americans in the tobacco industry are unsurprisingly anti-Castro and its' in their best interest that real Cuban cigars not be given a fair shake. Furthermore, Cuban cigars would be considered contraband in the USA due to the embargo so why talk up something the majority of US smokers cannot legally obtain?
rfenst Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 Here in the US we have a 2 hour talk radio show on Saturday's from noon till two called the Cigar Dave Show. He normally discusses non cuban cigars, anti smoking legislation, politics, alcoholic libations and such. Well he normally avoids cuban cigars like the plague, but this past Saturday he had a guest in the studio who had a box of Cuban Partagas 898 varnished. So for his stick pick of the week where he fires up a different cigar during every show he said he would be smoking the Cuban Partagas, which is something I have never heard him ever do. So, to make a long story short he went on with the show with both men smoking the 898's and at the end of the show he asked his guest his opinion of the cigar. Well, no suprise to me they both agreed that is was a total disappointment and that the cigar was completely one dimensional. Dave went on to say that his friend Nick Perdomo would probably laugh at the cigar and that a 6 to 7 dollar Dominican, Honduran or Nicaraguan cigar would blow away this 23 dollar Partagas. I guess some cigar smokers here in the states will just never accept Cubans and are hopelessly "brainwashed". More of the good stuff for some of us! He does his show live, outdoors at the annual Cigar Festival in Ybor City, FL. I cannot stand him. He is such a pompus ass. Who cares what he thinks?
bc8436 Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 He probably didn't want to antagonize the corporate sponsors.
Habanakane21 Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 I've watch a few shows that the website had archived. Actually..more liked fast forwarded through them. If we're talking about the same show...Cigar Authority? They smoke some rancid cigars...so there opinion mean literally nothing to me. I'm sure they love Cuban's and most likely sell them in their store. I did enjoy the episode that with Pete Johnson, since I smoke his cigars sometimes.
laficion Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 I've listened to cigar Dave's show and I found it so sickening. It's normal for him to talk about Cuban cigars the way he does, the show is held 100% by General Cigars, he doesn't ever talk about OTHER NC cigars outside General's let alone Cubans. ( some others but little) Cigar Connoisseur ? Maybe so, cigars from General Cigars, Connoisseur of the good things in life ? Surely not !! Too flashy, no class whatsoever, knows nothing about the world out there and vulgar. Salesman ? Absolutely, supermarket, McDo, door to door, He'd be capable of selling you a used toothbrush in a wink of an eye.
SCgarman Posted March 22, 2011 Author Posted March 22, 2011 The amazing thing is that he has managed to keep his show on the radio and nationally syndicated for almost 16 years now! Somebody must be supporting his advertisers.
CanuckSARTech Posted March 22, 2011 Posted March 22, 2011 I can't listen to that guy anymore. Starting to become more on the political rhetoric side of things than cigar talk. Plus, advertisers are having an impact on some objectivity. D I've listened to cigar Dave's show and I found it so sickening.It's normal for him to talk about Cuban cigars the way he does, the show is held 100% by General Cigars, he doesn't ever talk about OTHER NC cigars outside General's let alone Cubans. ( some others but little) Cigar Connoisseur ? Maybe so, cigars from General Cigars, Connoisseur of the good things in life ? Surely not !! Too flashy, no class whatsoever, knows nothing about the world out there and vulgar. Salesman ? Absolutely, supermarket, McDo, door to door, He'd be capable of selling you a used toothbrush in a wink of an eye. I completely agree with both these thoughts. I frequently/regularly listen to a sports/talk radio station out of Detroit. Before they did a formatting conversion, and when they were generally just talk radio, they had Cigar Dave on there on Saturday mornings I believe it was. I listened in a few times, mostly when I was outside in the garage doing some house stuff, just generally happy to hear something about cigars. But, I started to listen to what he was saying more and more, and I just couldn't listen to it anymore. I could hardly contain my desire to reach through my radio and smack around his little pompous, arrogant, self-righteous and self-aggrandizing head. He seems to have gotten more emboldened as time has gone on. While I am even a bit iffy on the likes of most of the C.A. crew (but I do enjoy Suckling [definitely C.A.'s loss], while I know that others do not), I still hold them up in much MUCH higher regard than "the general". Pompous, greedy, self-serving, nonsensical, classless, etc., etc. A rooster, puffing out his chest, trying to impress all the turkeys, while trying to hide the fact that he just doesn't have the right stuff. Rant off.
Habanos2000 Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 My guess is that many Americans view Cubans as "commies" therefore not much credence is given to their cigars. A lot of Cuban Americans in the tobacco industry are unsurprisingly anti-Castro and its' in their best interest that real Cuban cigars not be given a fair shake. Furthermore, Cuban cigars would be considered contraband in the USA due to the embargo so why talk up something the majority of US smokers cannot legally obtain? I think you're way off base by saying that Americans don't give Cuban cigars their due because of their country's form of government. And the term 'commie' isn't even frequently used here as far as the circles I travel in. Now if I had to hesitate a guess as to why CC's don't receive the same respect as NC's it's simply because there are zero advertising dollars being spent on them over here. Certain cigar publications, that shall remain nameless, may feel the obligation to include some CC's as a token effort at credibility, but overall you can tell who pays their bills. That's the only "politics" I see involved in it.
sloth Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 never listened to cigar dave.... tried to listen to dogwatch.... it's just TOO DAMN BORING! cigar talk, just doesn't make good radio or, for me, no one has done it right... and really I have no need for it. well edited, video reviews that are 10 minutes or less by people who are knowledgeable and honest... that works for me.
qman22 Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Cigar Dave is on here in Pitt on Sat. afternoons. I can't listen to the guy... between him shilling for his sponsors and the incredibly lame and cliche NC cigar ads, I can only take it for about 5 minutes. I'm amazed that his show is as widely syndicated as it is...
rckymtn22 Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Never listened to Cigar Dave. On the odd occcasion I have listened to the Dogwatch guys, but when I do i fast forward to the darkside part.
Puros Y Vino Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 I think you're way off base by saying that Americans don't give Cuban cigars their due because of their country's form of government. And the term 'commie' isn't even frequently used here as far as the circles I travel in. Now if I had to hesitate a guess as to why CC's don't receive the same respect as NC's it's simply because there are zero advertising dollars being spent on them over here. Certain cigar publications, that shall remain nameless, may feel the obligation to include some CC's as a token effort at credibility, but overall you can tell who pays their bills. That's the only "politics" I see involved in it. I'm only "guessing" and I'm preaching to the converted here I think too. My real point is that there is no point in promoting a contraband product in the US. The Cuban cigar is the pinnacle of cigars so there will be plenty of detractors. It's like negative campaigning in politics. Tell the people how bad the other guy is vs telling them how good you are. I apologize if my comment came across as "generalizing". From my experience with American friends, folks on other internet forums, non cigar rated, etc. The "commie" "socialist" tag gets thrown about pretty liberally.
SCgarman Posted March 23, 2011 Author Posted March 23, 2011 I'm only "guessing" and I'm preaching to the converted here I think too. My real point is that there is no point in promoting a contraband product in the US. The Cuban cigar is the pinnacle of cigars so there will be plenty of detractors. It's like negative campaigning in politics. Tell the people how bad the other guy is vs telling them how good you are. I apologize if my comment came across as "generalizing". From my experience with American friends, folks on other internet forums, non cigar rated, etc. The "commie" "socialist" tag gets thrown about pretty liberally. The irony to this is my government is a big hypocrite. Everything we now buy at Wal Mart in the US is made in communist China, all of our national debt now belongs to China and yet a small island that is absolutely NO threat to the US anymore cannot legally do business with the US. Does it make any sense? Absolutely not.
cigcars Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 *I got to listen to Cigar Dave when I was living and working in Atlanta. Yes, unfortunately more politics than cigars talk. His advertisers were Maxim cigars, and crud like that. I wasn't even aware his show was still in existence. Maybe he should listen to the opinions on this forum in the event he may not know different opinions than his exist out here in the cigar-lovers' world. Speaking of non-advertisement of Cuban cigars on our side of the Hemisphere...there is an old African saying; "A good thing sells itself; A bad thing wants advertising." Our most beloved product really needs no sales push and bombardment as so many trifling, crap laden things do on TV, radio, internet, etc., etc. I can't really say I miss his show. It was nearly always offensive in some form or another while there was my attempted enjoyment of the subject matter...kind of like trying to enjoy chocholate pound cake that's had a tablespoon of sand from the beach sprinkled throughout.
CanuckSARTech Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 ...It was nearly always offensive in some form or another while there was my attempted enjoyment of the subject matter...kind of like trying to enjoy chocholate pound cake that's had a tablespoon of sand from the beach sprinkled throughout. Well put, Janet! Now that's a pretty accurate analogy!
cigcars Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 Well put, Janet! Now that's a pretty accurate analogy! *Why thank you, CanuckSART!! I try - !
Dbone Posted March 23, 2011 Posted March 23, 2011 I'd like to be a fly on the wall after the mic went off... bet he loved the HELL outa his Party 898.
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