KB24 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Just smoked an AVO Tesoro and have also found in some of the CC's I have a very full bodied spicy smoke. My questions is do all cigars that are heavy on the spice and pepper and full bodied to the extreme lose that spice and body as time goes on. Will a cigar that I struggle to get through because of these qualities mellow out in do time or is certain tobacco that may be in these cigars always, no matter how long, going to have these qualities. Thoughts? -Patrick p.s. GO LAKERS!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sounddust Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 From my experience, as far as CCs go, the spice and pepper do tend to mellow out, especially after 5 years, after which one would have to retrohale perhaps, to really sense their presence. My own examples are the SCDLH El Principe and La Fuerza, as well as a box of Monte #4s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 One of the spiciest and strongest cigars I had was at a tasting with James Suckling in Havana. Almost unsmokeable. 1998 Partagas 898 Varnished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sounddust Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Prez, were the 898s the one James was talking about at the latest Habanos Festival? 11 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadillacdoc Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Just smoked an AVO Tesoro and have also found in some of the CC's I have a very full bodied spicy smoke. My questions is do all cigars that are heavy on the spice and pepper and full bodied to the extreme lose that spice and body as time goes on. Will a cigar that I struggle to get through because of these qualities mellow out in do time or is certain tobacco that may be in these cigars always, no matter how long, going to have these qualities. Thoughts? Try an old (20+ year) RyJ Celestiales Fino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Prez, were the 898s the one James was talking about at the latest Habanos Festival? 11 years... That would be the one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginseng Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 One of the spiciest and strongest cigars I had was at a tasting with James Suckling in Havana. Almost unsmokeable. 1998 Partagas 898 Varnished. Fascinating. I recently smoked a 1998 898V gifted to me and it was stellar. It was strong, rich, and very earthy and dense, packed with black pepper and leather. I enjoyed it immensely but would not consider it nigh unsmokeable. Perhaps blasphemous, I smoked it while working in the yard and though it needed touching up and relighting in the final 1.5" and the head got damp from slobber, it only became the least bit bitter. Quite a contrast to a Cabaiguan Guapo maduro I smoked earlier that day. It went out once while I set it down to attend to other things and upon relight, was horribly, horribly harsh and acrid. That was unsmokeable. Just terrible. Wilkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Good question. I think in many cases these traits would more than likely mellow out some. My question with such an unbalanced cigar would be what will I be left with? I probably would not be expecting an overly flavorful cigar, but as is often the case, you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 One of the spiciest and strongest cigars I had was at a tasting with James Suckling in Havana. Name dropper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Name dropper. colt, you beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 colt, you beat me to it. It was pretty blatant, wasn't it...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 It was pretty blatant, wasn't it...... visit czar's and you are likely to walk out deaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 It was pretty blatant, wasn't it...... It was also with Jemma Freeman, Simon Chase, Nino, Jimmy Ng, Jose, Hamlet. Fidel may have been here to but I could not see through the smoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 It was also with Jemma Freeman, Simon Chase, Nino, Jimmy Ng, Jose, Hamlet. Fidel may have been here to but I could not see through the smoke hey, when you visit cuba and can drop uma's name, come back to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 hey, when you visit cuba and can drop uma's name, come back to me. She was gorgeous wasn't she. No make up, singlet top.....scrumptious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 She was gorgeous wasn't she. No make up, singlet top.....scrumptious! singlet top??? how much had you drunk? you were looking at the wrong woman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 She was gorgeous wasn't she. No make up, singlet top.....scrumptious! Is uma someone you met on a malecón sunday And I'm not sure dropping José's and Hamlet's names count, the pirates..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Is uma someone you met on a malecón sunday And I'm not sure dropping José's and Hamlet's names count, the pirates..... at the national. and yes, i thought he moved more into name stumbling when he went there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwags Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Just smoked an AVO Tesoro and have also found in some of the CC's I have a very full bodied spicy smoke. My questions is do all cigars that are heavy on the spice and pepper and full bodied to the extreme lose that spice and body as time goes on. Will a cigar that I struggle to get through because of these qualities mellow out in do time or is certain tobacco that may be in these cigars always, no matter how long, going to have these qualities. Thoughts?-Patrick p.s. GO LAKERS!!!! My first great love with cigars was with most any Don Pepin (NC) sticks/blends - lotsa spice in most of his blends. Some times I crave a stick that will make my eye's water with a nose exhale from the spice. I'm new to CC and have not yet had that in your face white pepper eyes tearing flavor. I have noticed that over time my NC spicy sticks do mellow a bit, not in a bad way just more refined. Wags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Gargett Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 My first great love with cigars was with most any Don Pepin (NC) sticks/blends - lotsa spice in most of his blends. Some times I crave a stick that will make my eye's water with a nose exhale from the spice. I'm new to CC and have not yet had that in your face white pepper eyes tearing flavor. I have noticed that over time my NC spicy sticks do mellow a bit, not in a bad way just more refined.Wags yes, well done getting back on the theme. we had, perhaps, strayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sliver54 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Since we're now back to our theme of spice ... I am interested to hear what cigar has been the spiciest in recent production ( 07 or 08)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassman Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 That 98 Party 898V sounds like my kind of cigars. My 98 cab Party Lonsdales are very strong & spicy, but provide much pleasure & no pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 It was also with Jemma Freeman, Simon Chase, Nino, Jimmy Ng, Jose, Hamlet. Fidel may have been here to but I could not see through the smoke Jesus... and I actually went on record telling the organizer that you were a cool, unpretentious kinda' guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigFish Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 I have often wondered if properly stored tobacco can last indefinitely. I have some La Corona machine made cigars from '91 that will rock your world. It makes me wonder what they were like when fresh. I do have an overall opinion that cigars aged past 15 years or so begin to pick up a similar taste, a taste I associate with older tobacco. Most of the older cigars that I have smoked have rounder, mellower tones but one never knows how that same cigar would have smoked a decade before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stargazer14 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Speaking of pepper and spice and name-dropping and Don Pepin, I met him this past weekend and had to ask his thoughts on blending a cigar and its relation to time: does he blend for the cigar to be smoked now, and/or does the 'flavor change over time factor' become involved when he designs a smoke. I expected a 20 second answer but ended up listening to him 15 mins. In a nutshell, he said he blends for the cigars to be smoked within the first 2 years, after 5 years he does not think the tobacco improves. He also mentioned the fact that some people enjoy the very young smoke with a touch of ammonia, tho I dont remember this being in any of the cigars of his I have had. He didnt say he releases his cigars to have ammonia in them, just that there are those that enjoy that young flavor element. As far as his 5 year remark, one must remember this man was making cigars in Cuba and now uses predominently Nicaraguan tobacco, I should have asked if he finds a difference in the two as far as aging, but seeing he has a product to sell, i might know the answer. I love his smokes and enjoyed my time with him very much, sweet guy. I should mention that tho I love my CC's, I do not have the luxury of smoking more than one every day, so I need to suppliment my stash with NC's to make those cuban boxes last a few years, and I would chose a Pepin for that anyday. I enjoy the spice in his cigars. I expect to hear from Jimmy any second now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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