Vegueros Seoane 1998

[BigSlick]

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» If you receive one from a mate, seriously question the firendship.

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» 82/100

[shrink]

Rumours are rife that Fidels grand daughter came up ith the Vegueros logo utilising a spare 10 minutes before dinner one night.

It certainly comes as no surprise that the designer was a woman. I am not going to say what this logo brings to mind...

[El Presidente]

The old inkblot test hey Shrink

I can just picture you....."so what is the first thing that comes to your mind?"

[smokum]

» . Lisa's sister Di comes to the deck and asks if I

» am smoking mull (note to self...was she just inquiring.... or looking to

» score? )

OK...I give up...what the hell is mull ?

[zuma]

» » Lisa's sister Di comes to the deck and asks if I am smoking mull (note to self...was she just inquiring.... or looking to score? )

»

» OK...I give up...what the hell is mull ?

cannabis, mate

On the other hand, this review seems to indicate that aging a mediocre cigar cannot redeem it... I had been wondering whether to get some stick to try out this marca, but I think I may have to skip it... any vitola in this marca that may deserve attention?

[tigger]

» It certainly comes as no surprise that the designer was a woman. I am not going to say what this logo brings to mind...

Replace the first "e" with an "a," and...well...never mind. :-P

[broozer]

sorry you didn't like these prez. i have some from '99 that i have enjoyed very much. have you tried the mareva yet? i been trying to track some of those down for over 6 months and no one seems to carry them. no luck yet, but i'm still looking.

bruce

[Taino]

Now I know why I've never bought one of those boxes!

[broozer]

oh yeah, if you have any boxes you wanna clear out of these rob, then let me know. :-D

bruce

[El Presidente]

» sorry you didn't like these prez. i have some from '99 that i have

» enjoyed very much. have you tried the mareva yet? i been trying to

» track some of those down for over 6 months and no one seems to carry them.

» no luck yet, but i'm still looking.

»

» bruce

Bruce I would love you to post a follow up review on these. I don't want to put the kybosh on them if you are finding something completely different. I have an aversion to certain types/characteristics of cigars even though others find them exceptional (LGC Medaille d'OR No 2 comes to mind).

I find the Mareva a better cigar but still not up there with the rest of the vitola offerings from other Marques. I still get that herbacious edge which does not sit well with me.

[broozer]

» Bruce I would love you to post a follow up review on these. I don't want

» to put the kybosh on them if you are finding something completely

» different. I have an aversion to certain types/characteristics of cigars

» even though others find them exceptional (LGC Medaille d'OR No 2 comes to

» mind).

»

» I find the Mareva a better cigar but still not up there with the rest of

» the vitola offerings from other Marques. I still get that herbacious edge

» which does not sit well with me.

will do sir. i'm down to about 12 of my seoanes from '99, but so far all of them have been wonderful. any idea where i can find some marevas?

bruce

[El Presidente]

I will make some inquiries with PCC for you Bruce.

[broozer]

» I will make some inquiries with PCC for you Bruce.

thank you sir. i literally can't find ANY vender who carries the marevas.

bruce

[Ginseng]

Amazing. A cigar that is actually as bad as the Guantanamera Cristales?

The few reports of the Especiales suggest that that is quite a bit superior to the Seoane. Have you tried that vitola yet?

Wilkey

[El Presidente]

» Amazing. A cigar that is actually as bad as the Guantanamera Cristales?

»

» The few reports of the Especiales suggest that that is quite a bit

» superior to the Seoane. Have you tried that vitola yet?

»

» Wilkey

To me the Especiales is the pick of them all. Having said that....it is like choosing between hanging, firing squad or the chair.

Personal opinion only....after all....I have some for sale

[broozer]

» » Amazing. A cigar that is actually as bad as the Guantanamera Cristales?

» »

» » The few reports of the Especiales suggest that that is quite a bit

» » superior to the Seoane. Have you tried that vitola yet?

» »

» » Wilkey

»

» To me the Especiales is the pick of them all. Having said that....it is

» like choosing between hanging, firing squad or the chair.

»

» Personal opinion only....after all....I have some for sale

the especial #1 or #2 rob? i have smoked about a box worth of the #2's, but have only smoked about 5 of the #1's. my box of #2's from 2000 is smoking well so far. albeit they are a bit tight.

bruce

[josie67]

You know what is most irritating about this cigar and the nasty Guantanamera is that Cuba decides to keep these pieces of sh-- and discontinue some FANTASTIC cigars like the RG Lonsdale, Dip 1, etc etc. Why don't they just dump these nasties and reintroduce some the quality discontinued cigars? Are they really selling enough of these to warrant having them in their regular production?

For the record, I have tried both of these, and they have all been absolutely terrible.

[broozer]

» You know what is most irritating about this cigar and the nasty

» Guantanamera is that Cuba decides to keep these pieces of sh-- and

» discontinue some FANTASTIC cigars like the RG Lonsdale, Dip 1, etc etc.

» Why don't they just dump these nasties and reintroduce some the quality

» discontinued cigars? Are they really selling enough of these to warrant

» having them in their regular production?

»

» For the record, I have tried both of these, and they have all been

» absolutely terrible.

i agree that the RG lonsdale and DIP #1 are great cigars, but just because you think this cigar is a "piece of ****" doesn't mean others do. i for one like it.

as for the most recent discontinued cigars, i'd prefer to see all of these limited edition cigars be kept to a minimum. THAT is the reason, in my opinion, that alot of great cigars are being cut from production. i doubt the vegueros line is going to affect how many RG's or DIP's are being made.

bruce

[El Presidente]

This is one of the ugliest panatela's I have seen in a while. Vuelta Crapo wrapper and a cigar which looks like it has been beaten by the ugly stick.

Rumours are rife that Fidels grand daughter came up ith the Vegueros logo utilising a spare 10 minutes before dinner one night. I always thought that the Vegueros band and brand was proof positive that Altadis ideas and money arrived just in time.

Aroma at cold was a sweet hay. cerrated the cap to find a the cap to find a good if over easy draw and a dry vegetal flavour on the lips.

Gently torched the end only to find that the foot exploded in flame and putrid smoke. Seriously...I have seen fuses burn slower. Smoke going everywhere and it stunk. Lisa's sister Di comes to the deck and asks if I am smoking mull (note to self...was she just inquiring.... or looking to score? )

The Vegueros Seoane is starting with a vegetarian mix of grass and sauerkraut. Slightly bitter and astringent. Very close to pitching this cigar right here and now but the straight burning linear ash reminds me some poor bugger rolled this and I should do it the respect of smoking it a little further.

Some real famliarities with Cuban domestic cigars I have smoked from time to time with the exception it is fuller bodied. The Seoane is sucking every bit of moisture out of the palate...almost chemical in nature. Yet, the little ugly bugger is improving. There are some black pepper elements establishing themselves and the vegetal flavours are leaving. Big white pepper hit through the nose....mostly black pepper and a little burn't coffee on the palate. This cigar is about as subtle as a 1800 $5 a minute chatline (Ken won't be caught out again) but it has a certain ruthlessness that is strangely appealing. More and more toasted tobacco and black pepper showing through. Still medium to full bodied...still relatively one dimensional but the dimension now has no vegetable characteristics at all.

Becoming full bodied and mystifying. It has few redeeming features but it does draw you into some masochistic pleasures. The sheer hit is enough to get you to draw again. Having said that if this was a larger format cigar I would have thrown it out 15 minutes ago.

Into the last third now and I have come to the conclusion that I am fooling myself into thinking that this cigar has anything really worthwhile to contribute to the world of Havana cigars. Yes it is strong and yes it has black pepper and toasted tobacco notes but it is one dimensional and plain nasty.

If you receive one from a mate, seriously question the firendship.

82/100