El Presidente Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 PCC has been approved the following as Regional Releases for 2008. Now keep in mind these are a year away Por Larrañaga Belicosos Extra 52 * 140 mm Campanas SLB 25's Bolivar Shorts 52 * 110 mm Petit Edmundo SLB 25's I have to fill in an order sheet over the next couple of days so give me an inkling of a "punters" thoughts/impressions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortsqueeze Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 PLBE sounds great. » PCC has been approved the following as Regional Releases for 2008. Now keep » in mind these are a year away » » Por Larrañaga Belicosos Extra 52 * 140 mm Campanas » SLB 25's » » Bolivar Shorts 52 * 110 mm Petit Edmundo SLB 25's » » I have to fill in an order sheet over the next couple of days so give me » an inkling of a "punters" thoughts/impressions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 » Por Larrañaga Belicosos Extra 52 * 140 mm Campanas » SLB 25's » Possibly, but would have rather seen a PL Corona Gorda or Dalia. And as much as I hate to admit it, cost will be a factor. » Bolivar Shorts 52 * 110 mm Petit Edmundo SLB 25's » No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phailure Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Ugh... and the large ring special releases continue... :-( when are the small rings comin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cohiba007 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 PL's look great. I would probably pass on the Boli's though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB24 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 » Ugh... and the large ring special releases continue... :-( » » when are the small rings comin? I agree. I might be down for a box of the PLBE's. Speaking of larger ring gauges, did anyone see where CAO's new cigar AMERICA has a 60 ring gauge? Unreal!! Serious Jawitus -Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted July 10, 2007 Author Share Posted July 10, 2007 » Ugh... and the large ring special releases continue... :-( » » when are the small rings comin? With luck 2009. I cannot discuss what was submitted but the process takes a little politicking (if that is a word). The project for a RR needs to be financially underwritten. This is through regional agreement between regional distributors. PCCHK needs to feel assured that it could move 60,000 cigars across all markets. Just as essential is financial return....ie big cigar = $15 Retail....small cigar $10. Return on investment needs to be factored in as well as risk analysis. When proposals for thin format cigars are first tabled, the response is....Let's look at the last two years sales by vitola number and by vitola dollar value. Looks ugly at anything under 42 gauge and 42 only looks good because of Monte 4's. So keep in mind that while I am ecstatic and a zealot for a thin gauge release because A) I like them and My market is crying out for them....this is not the case for the 100's and 100's of small retailers in single store enterprises from China to New Zealand. Ask honestly what they could sell faster....a big format PL or a thin gauge PL. What would give them a greater ROI? They rely on these RR/LE's etc to boost their sales and margins. We have come a long way on this proposal but there is still a little way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Armed Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I'm down for anything from PL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stever Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 PLBEs are of definite interest. Bolis, depends on their profile, especially for the length, and their cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cls515 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 » PCC has been approved the following as Regional Releases for 2008. Now keep » in mind these are a year away » » Por Larrañaga Belicosos Extra 52 * 140 mm Campanas » SLB 25's » » Bolivar Shorts 52 * 110 mm Petit Edmundo SLB 25's » » I have to fill in an order sheet over the next couple of days so give me » an inkling of a "punters" thoughts/impressions. Get a considerable stock in both, I'm sure they would sell well for you. I'm interested in a box of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP012 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 » » Ugh... and the large ring special releases continue... :-( » » » » when are the small rings comin? » » With luck 2009. I cannot discuss what was submitted but the process takes » a little politicking (if that is a word). The project for a RR needs to be » financially underwritten. This is through regional agreement between » regional distributors. PCCHK needs to feel assured that it could move » 60,000 cigars across all markets. Just as essential is financial » return....ie big cigar = $15 Retail....small cigar $10. Return on » investment needs to be factored in as well as risk analysis. » » When proposals for thin format cigars are first tabled, the response » is....Let's look at the last two years sales by vitola number and by » vitola dollar value. Looks ugly at anything under 42 gauge and 42 only » looks good because of Monte 4's. » So there isn't really a chance for a Laguito #1 size? (ie 7.5 x 39/40/41ish) I'm sure that could retail easily for $15 plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted July 10, 2007 Author Share Posted July 10, 2007 » So there isn't really a chance for a Laguito #1 size? (ie 7.5 x » 39/40/41ish) I'm sure that could retail easily for $15 plus Yes, it could certainly retail at this level. However moving 60,000 throughout a region would be a challenge. This is one of the reasons it has not happened yet. If you invest your money in a RR you want your money back + profit back as quickly as possible. To me it makes no difference in size format. Our members are a discerning lot. However what about other Bricks and Mortar retailers spread long and wide throughout the Asia Pacific. Many would not sell a box of say Lancero's or Fundadores or Connoisseur no 1 in a year. Their staple is PC/Robusto/Belicoso/Pirimide/Robusto Extra. Including machine mades, 90+ % of their sales come from these vitola's. They might move 30 boxes of allocated regionals at no discount/top dollar on 30 day terms. With the above vitola's they can do so within the 30 days. With a Laguito No 1 they would sell 10 in the first week, 10 in the next 3 months and the balance 10 in the next 9 months. These are the same retailers/people who are seeing crack downs on retail space, signage, taxes etc. So when they get asked for their opinion on the next RR....they take the safe, quick turnover option and I cannot blame them, When the next 2 cigar release comes out for PCC, I am confident one will be a thin gauge. I will take a vast majority. It is then when you will here me coming......I have your addresses What I am trying to do is showcase the complex issues at hand in this industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenpimp Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 The PL sounds great, but who are we kidding, I'll buy both. I'm a Bolivar *****. Not crazy about the RG trend, but I love both marcas. Sign me up for the thin RE release. If there were a Lag#1 Bolivar I would need a room by myself for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgros001 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 both sound good to me :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmax Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 » » » Sign me up for the thin RE release. If there were a Lag#1 Bolivar I would » need a room by myself for awhile. BWHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted July 10, 2007 Author Share Posted July 10, 2007 » Sign me up for the thin RE release. If there were a Lag#1 Bolivar I would » need a room by myself for awhile. ....and here I am trying to convince PCC that our members are just regular, respectable, cigar smokers of the community Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginseng Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 » » Ugh... and the large ring special releases continue... :-( » » » » when are the small rings comin? » » With luck 2009. I cannot discuss what was submitted but the process takes » a little politicking (if that is a word). The project for a RR needs to be » financially underwritten. This is through regional agreement between » regional distributors. PCCHK needs to feel assured that it could move » 60,000 cigars across all markets. Just as essential is financial » return....ie big cigar = $15 Retail....small cigar $10. Return on » investment needs to be factored in as well as risk analysis. » » When proposals for thin format cigars are first tabled, the response » is....Let's look at the last two years sales by vitola number and by » vitola dollar value. Looks ugly at anything under 42 gauge and 42 only » looks good because of Monte 4's. » » So keep in mind that while I am ecstatic and a zealot for a thin gauge » release because A) I like them and My market is crying out for » them....this is not the case for the 100's and 100's of small retailers in » single store enterprises from China to New Zealand. Ask honestly what they » could sell faster....a big format PL or a thin gauge PL. What would give » them a greater ROI? They rely on these RR/LE's etc to boost their sales » and margins. » » We have come a long way on this proposal but there is still a little way » to go. Thank you for the continuing insights into the world of Habanos. Not just the cigar side but the business side. It's generated a greater appreciation in me for just how finesse-ful the industry as a whole is. I'm in it for the long run. If it takes a few years to fully develop the "thin is in" concept commercially, I'll still be here. In the mean time, I will most likely give both RRs a shot. At least in singles form. Wilkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike33 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I'd be interested in at least a box of each. Possibly two of the PLs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenpimp Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 » » ....and here I am trying to convince PCC that our members are just » regular, respectable, cigar smokers of the community With you as the captain? Regular, respectable ...ehhh, captain irony, line one...LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 sounds good....i'm with the majority, I'd rather have a smaller ring but I'll try a cab of each......;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moglman Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I couldn't resist getting both, nor would try. Resistance is futile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anacostiakat Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 » » Sign me up for the thin RE release. If there were a Lag#1 Bolivar I » would » » need a room by myself for awhile. » » ....and here I am trying to convince PCC that our members are just » regular, respectable, cigar smokers of the community The PLs would attract my interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIGARHead Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Por Larranaga sounds goood to me. I will def buy them. At first thought I thunk I may have to pass on the short Bolivar, but if they are dark, dank and full of pepper and earth, then Im in!:-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehrig24 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 » Por Larranaga sounds goood to me. I will def buy them. In keeping with the theme, I would buy the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wp2 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 » » Por Larranaga sounds goood to me. I will def buy them. » » In keeping with the theme, I would buy the PL. As would I. I love Belicosos anyway. Thanks for the info Rob!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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