GTS21 Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 Those who have already e-mailed Lisa have first preference. Hopefully emailing Lisa incessantly won't get me moved to the bottom of the list! :-(
Ken Gargett Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 » Those who have already e-mailed Lisa have first preference. » » » Hopefully emailing Lisa incessantly won't get me moved to the bottom of » the list! :-( try off the list... she's very tempermental. lisa, we need to chat (just trying to ease your work load and stop mall those pesky emails that might pinch my cigars.)
Ginseng Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 » Punch Super Robusto (155mm x 50 Ring Gauge) » » International Sales: » » 25 count: $405 USD » 50 Cab $810 USD » Singles: $16.20 USD » » Ramon Allones Estupendo (47 x 178mm) » » International Sales: » » 25 count: $ 393.75 USD » 50 Cab $ 787.50 USD » Singles: $15.75 USD Ouch. Thanks for giving us the complete skinny, Rob. I'm going to have to think long and hard about this one. Wilkey
GTS21 Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 » » Those who have already e-mailed Lisa have first preference. » » » » » » Hopefully emailing Lisa incessantly won't get me moved to the bottom of » » the list! :-( » » try off the list... » she's very tempermental. » lisa, we need to chat (just trying to ease your work load and stop mall » those pesky emails that might pinch my cigars.) NOOOOOOOOOOO!!
Ken Gargett Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 » » » Those who have already e-mailed Lisa have first preference. » » » » » » » » » Hopefully emailing Lisa incessantly won't get me moved to the bottom » of » » » the list! :-( » » » » try off the list... » » she's very tempermental. » » lisa, we need to chat (just trying to ease your work load and stop mall » » those pesky emails that might pinch my cigars.) » » » NOOOOOOOOOOO!! the problem is that she drinks heavily and may have lost that email that i sent before everyone else. she probably doesn't even remember it.
El Presidente Posted October 27, 2006 Author Posted October 27, 2006 » » actually Por Larranaga Lonsdales were about $270 US. seems like a better » deal. i guess that based on their pricing i was guessing 325 for the RA » esp. » Keep in mind that the new releases average 15.7 Kilo's of Tobacco ber 1000 sticks. The Lonsdales 10.8 Kilo's per 1000. Tabacuba prices to Habanos s.a to a large extent on vitola size so with 45% more leaf you have a higher base cost. If the PL Lonsdales were $270...add 45% and you have $391.50 There is generally a reason for most things ;-)
Claudius Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 » » » PCC HK have taken the step of setting domestic and international » minimum » » » retail & wholesale sale prices. Each box is numbered and the » » distributors » » » are responsible to ensure that the pricing integrity is maintained. » » PCCHK » » » will hold a register of which distributors were sold what boxes. The » » » distributors hold the records as to which retailers were sold what » » boxes. » » » » So what? » » Seems like a kind of harsh response, Claudius. The man is kindly laying » out what he faces in terms of PCC's efforts to control pricing and » distribution. I appreciate being privy to a little insight. Dont get me wrong, I didnt mean to say "so what" in the sense of "what do I care", but in the sense of "what does that mean to you and us"; surely numbering the boxes wont help them identify what price Rob sells them at. Unless we post a picture of the box and state underneath (preferably in bold face) that he sold them to us for 200 AUD. And even that wouldnt be proof since I will do that anyway even after buying them for 800 USD!
pnutbutrsangwich Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 Any chance that Habanos sends you any pretty pictures of these releases?
bassman Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 Are the Estupendos a special blend or the regular RA blend?
n2advnture Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 holy crap those are MUCH pricier than anticipated!
Jack Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 The Estupendo is rumored to be a fantastic cigar so i know i'll kick myself if I don't grab some.
habanohal Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 A tough call for me to make. Odds say I will end up getting them, but still need to out way the choices
Claudius Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 » holy crap those are MUCH pricier than anticipated! Damn, yeah, that's a bit steep for Churchills... Rob: I want to buy a cab but also 2 or 3 singles to taste without breaking the cab. :-)
El Presidente Posted October 27, 2006 Author Posted October 27, 2006 » Are the Estupendos a special blend or the regular RA blend? I have not tried one although that will be rectified hopefully by end next week. I will seek some photo's Monday although we may have to wait until they arrive. It is a new blend in a classic RA style. I have been told the cigar is exceptional but I have also heard the same about the Punch Super Robusto. Claudius, 60,000 sticks of each have been produced. In the Asia Pacific, there will be maybe 3 PCC retailers who will move varying volume online. The market being what it is, if I offer someone a 10% discount....and he tells his mate....who tells his supplier that Rob is giving 10% off the minimum....and the supplier tells PCC....goodbye Por Larranaga Robusto for next year. I have a tight relationship with PCC. CEO Dag Holmboe is a respected friend. I have no intention of breaking my word for a few sticks of cigars. Once I have my allocation confirmed I can assess further.
Tampa1257 Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 Yes, I know that the pricing is a bit higher than many of us expected, but they are right in line with what the Bolivar Colossales were priced. The situation that Habanos has made using the kilos per 1000 cigars made means they are considering the cost of materials when determining wholesale and retail prices. One thing to remember is that many people are able to obtain items that are Regional releases, yet Normally, there is not much cross buying from regions of the market. So, not many people that will live in the PCC area would have had an opportunity to buy the regional releases from the German market. Jimmy2, another thing that you are missing when quoting the price from the PL Lonsdales is that cost was a discounted cost and did not include shipping. Not everyone was able to participate in one of the many group buys that offered the discounted price. The Official price was $270 per 25 cigars and the Lonsdale has 45% less tobacco than the Estupendo's. The price of the Robusto's from Punch was the biggest surprise to me, and hopefully will not be reflected in the 2007 release of the Por Larrañaga Robusto's, which I really want several boxes of.
Claudius Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 » Claudius, 60,000 sticks of each have been produced. In the Asia Pacific, » there will be maybe 3 PCC retailers who will move varying volume online. » » The market being what it is, if I offer someone a 10% discount....and he » tells his mate....who tells his supplier that Rob is giving 10% off the » minimum....and the supplier tells PCC....goodbye Por Larranaga Robusto for » next year. I have a tight relationship with PCC. CEO Dag Holmboe is a » respected friend. I have no intention of breaking my word for a few sticks » of cigars. » » Once I have my allocation confirmed I can assess further. Rob... I will post on every cigar forum in the whole world that you gave me 20%! ;-) :-D Seriously, the pricing is whatever they say it is, so that's fine. It would be good if you agreed to break a cab for your cab customers to get a few singles to try without having to break their cabs, though. Roughly how many cabs are you getting of the RAE? 20, 50, 100, 200?
Claudius Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 » One thing to remember is that many people are able to » obtain items that are Regional releases, yet Normally, there is not much » cross buying from regions of the market. So, not many people that will » live in the PCC area would have had an opportunity to buy the regional » releases from the German market. I dont understand what you mean here? "Many people are able to obtain ERs" but "not many people in the PCC area have the opportunity to get German ERs"?
El Presidente Posted October 27, 2006 Author Posted October 27, 2006 Claudius. My intention is to ensure that every FOH member can try these releases through the purchase of singles if they cannot afford or do not wish to purchase a cab/box Once I know my allocations I can assess how many I can set aside for singles. Demand has taken us by surprise. The reserve list is well over 100 boxes of RA and 60 or so boxes Punch. I will send the e-mail out to all members as soon as I know how many cigars I am playing with :-)
Claudius Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 » Claudius. » » My intention is to ensure that every FOH member can try these releases » through the purchase of singles if they cannot afford or do not wish to » purchase a cab/box » » Once I know my allocations I can assess how many I can set aside for » singles. Demand has taken us by surprise. The reserve list is well over » 100 boxes of RA and 60 or so boxes Punch. I will send the e-mail out to » all members as soon as I know how many cigars I am playing with :-) Excellent, thank you!
Tampa1257 Posted October 27, 2006 Posted October 27, 2006 » I dont understand what you mean here? "Many people are able to obtain » ERs" but "not many people in the PCC area have the opportunity to get » German ERs"? Claudius, What I have attempted to say and what may not have been understood is that I would believe that the majority of consumers that purchase Regional Releases do not necessarily participate on the assorted cigar forums. They buy their cigars from the market from where they live or thus their Region. Those of us that do participate on cigar forums, generally have a wider sphere of availability when making a decision of what cigars to purchase. While the Internet does provide many of us an opportunity to locate and obtain cigars from many different regions, the regular customer that walks into the tobacconist is probably the largest buyer of any certain size, release or production of a cigar. Thus, the guy that walks in off the street to buy a cigar would not necessarily have the contacts, or ability to purchase outside their market region like those of us that are more in tune with our contacts in many different market regions. I hope that explains my comment in greater detail.
korryp Posted October 28, 2006 Posted October 28, 2006 >The reserve list is well over » 100 boxes of RA and 60 or so boxes Punch. I will send the e-mail out to » all members as soon as I know how many cigars I am playing with :-) Please add me to the wait list for a box of the RA's. Email off to Lisa.
Jimmy2 Posted October 28, 2006 Posted October 28, 2006 As far as a group buy's ( PLL) never heard of any and paid 234.00 which was not a bad price. I have no problems with the new PCC HK Regionals pricing these are limited. And rolled and blended by the best Cuba has to offer. As far as me i have no interest in these anyway i am waiting for the Por Larranaga Robusto when Prez gets them . Remember this is not a cheap hobby and sometime's we are reminded how sick we are when we shell out big $$$$$ for some of these GEMS. One good thing if these new Regionals sell out fast you might see them in years to come as regular production. And i must say these PLL do smell like candy wonder what the other Regionals smell like fresh .
Claudius Posted October 28, 2006 Posted October 28, 2006 » » I dont understand what you mean here? "Many people are able to obtain » » ERs" but "not many people in the PCC area have the opportunity to get » » German ERs"? » » Claudius, » » What I have attempted to say and what may not have been understood is that » I would believe that the majority of consumers that purchase Regional » Releases do not necessarily participate on the assorted cigar forums. They » buy their cigars from the market from where they live or thus their Region. » Those of us that do participate on cigar forums, generally have a wider » sphere of availability when making a decision of what cigars to purchase. » While the Internet does provide many of us an opportunity to locate and » obtain cigars from many different regions, the regular customer that walks » into the tobacconist is probably the largest buyer of any certain size, » release or production of a cigar. Thus, the guy that walks in off the » street to buy a cigar would not necessarily have the contacts, or ability » to purchase outside their market region like those of us that are more in » tune with our contacts in many different market regions. I hope that » explains my comment in greater detail. Hi chuck Thanks for taking the time to explain in such depth. I understand and agree that there is probably little cross-boarder selling like one sees on the web and that most RR are bought by people who live in that region. I just dont understand how that relates to the "price by tobacco mass" concept for ERs that Rob mentioned.
jgros001 Posted October 28, 2006 Posted October 28, 2006 El Prez, Maybe you could answer my only question. Why dress boxes for such a high priced cigar. I have no problem shelling out the money but I would expect something nicer than a dress box on such a limited, high end item from Habanos. I appreciate the information and especially the rationales on the pricing.
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