Driving smokers into the arms of criminals - the consequences of the Australian Government's annual tobacco excise policy


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Similar things happening in the UK as successive governments squeeze smokers ever harder but at least some in Australia are realising the futility of such policies. A recent BBC article explored the world of the illicit tobacco trade but totally ignored the root cause.. that taxes are just too high.

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The article seconds as a subtle endorsement of Australia’s safe injection site programs - sounds pretty successful.

To me it’s not actually the best counter for tobacco taxes, because the government isn’t actually encouraging people to use IV drugs. But gambling? Governments love gambling, love it enough that they’re basically the only non-dedicated public place you can still smoke indoors here in Pennsylvania! And admittedly it’s partly a reflection of public sentiment. I know parents (even family) who’ve helped their teen set up a sports betting account. Nobody cares. But buy them cigars to celebrate winning a ball game and you’ll have CPS knocking on your door. 

Total government hypocrisy - and the motive is the same: money. Tobacco companies (and smokers) are just far easier targets, although some of that is on cigarette manufacturers for perpetrating the most notorious corporate crime in history during the 20th century. 

Why is Rupert Murdoch so much better at effecting horrible changes than good ones? Put some of those extra tobacco tax dollars to studying that. 

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Been an issue for Aus for awhile now, yeah? I remember seeing some about the government needing to find illegal tobacco farms by the Australian mob and destroying them many years ago 

Basically the same as prohibition. Make something easily cheaper, black markets arise.

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I remember around 2008 when the idea of plain packaging was being thrown around. I was working for one of our 2 largest supermarket chains doing special projects for the Liquor division, and we all thought this was a terrible idea. Yeah, sales were going to go down, but more than that this would lead to a huge black market trade. Everyone saw it, but as usual, the Govt of the time ignored it stating that it would only be marginal.

The Vic Cancer Council claim:

Myth

Plain packaging will make cigarettes easier to counterfeit and will increase the trade in illicit tobacco products such as “chop chop”

Fact

There is no evidence that plain packaging will lead to an increase in illicit trade in tobacco products. Tobacco industry claims about the amount of illicit tobacco purchased in Australia have been found to be exaggerated and misleading. The plain packaging legislation will allow tobacco companies to continue to use anti-counterfeit markings on their products.

And yet the Australia Border Force (ABF) report in 2023/24 that there were over 50k detections of illicit tobacco, approx. 1.8 billion cigarettes and over 400 tonnes of loose leaf tobacco, equating to AUD3 billion in lost duty. The ABF raided a rural Victorian property that was growing 16tonnes of illegal tobacco, worth approx AUD35 million in duty. 

And this barely scratches the surface.

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Yep. I don’t know anyone buying cigars from legit sources in Aus anymore. Everyone’s buying from secondary market. 

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2 hours ago, LordAnubis said:

Yep. I don’t know anyone buying cigars from legit sources in Aus anymore. Everyone’s buying from secondary market. 

So you've fixed all your tobacco problems then! What's next!?

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21 hours ago, BoliDan said:

Been an issue for Aus for awhile now, yeah? I remember seeing some about the government needing to find illegal tobacco farms by the Australian mob and destroying them many years ago 

Basically the same as prohibition. Make something easily cheaper, black markets arise.

What legal tobacco farms that exist here (Ontario, Canada) are subject to frequent fly overs to scan if the farmer is going beyond what was licensed to grow.  

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