Warranty seal question

[El Presidente]

Question for members 

Can you approximately date a warranty seal from the number of workers shown in the finca?   

 

 

[NSXCIGAR]

Looks like 8 or 9--should be early-mid-1960s. Lost one about every decade until 1999.

[El Presidente]

Good info. 

The seal attached is from 1928

[NSXCIGAR]

1 hour ago, El Presidente said:

Good info. 

The seal attached is from 1928

Ha, I just assumed it was a post-Rev by your question. I hadn't really looked at it. Those can be dated by number of workers able to be seen. It's clearly a 1912-1931 seal. 

[Huckleberry]

I buy my cigars from here and don't look at anything else on the box or in the box but the cigars themselves!

[Jack]

No text along the bottom and non-perforated edges is pre-1931

[Mickey D]

On 8/4/2021 at 1:03 PM, Count of Montecristo said:

1930

 

I’m going with 1929, mid year. 🤓

[ATGroom]

I've never heard of anyone claiming that the 1912-1931 seal can be dated from the number of workers. I don't think it was in use long enough for the wear on the plates to be significant, and also Cuba in the 1920s was a lot less cost conscious and a lot more meticulous about print quality than Cuba in the later half of the 20th century. I think if the 1912 plates had started showing significant wear, they probably would have replaced them.

The large seal that was in use more or less unchanged 1931-1999 did show significant wear and disappearing workers, and you can, very very vaguely get an idea of date from the number of workers. I personally wouldn't give it an accuracy to a range of less than 2 decades though.

[NSXCIGAR]

On 8/8/2021 at 10:46 PM, ATGroom said:

I've never heard of anyone claiming that the 1912-1931 seal can be dated from the number of workers

No, I'm not aware that this was a factor before 1962. Obviously, the Communist regime wouldn't want to spring for new plates. 

As far as the 62-99 seal workers, I always just figured it was in use for 47 years and it gradually lost 4 workers in that time, so 1 worker per decade is a rough guide. 8 in the 60s, 7 in the 70s, 6 in the 80s and finally 5 in the 90s.