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Information like this is stunning in its clarity, if not its reality.

But I have to ask, what exactly is the endgame? Who's playing it? Can Cuba persist as it is? Or will another revolution bring an end to this one.

It just seems like unending suffering.

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It’ll take a revolution of some sort.  Can’t see the mafia-military regime willingly giving up power/money.  Hard to see the Cuban people being able to do it without outside support.  But in the 2020s (2000s even) people have little desire to fight evil and suffering if it doesn’t directly affect them.  They would rather contain it away from them and turn a blind eye.  So Cuba may be as close to the beginning as they are to the end.  Look at North Korea.  The UN stopped and said keep it over there on the other side of this minefield.  Cuba is about 15 years behind on that cycle.

I mean, there are assholes in the US who wear Che Guevara t-shirts.

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1 hour ago, Ginseng said:

Information like this is stunning in its clarity, if not its reality.

But I have to ask, what exactly is the endgame? Who's playing it? Can Cuba persist as it is? Or will another revolution bring an end to this one.

It just seems like unending suffering.

It is Wilkey - as for the endgame, if I you read between the lines it will be just like in the old Soviet Union or the East Bloc where a small Nomenklatura and some Oligarchs took over the economy and the financial wealth of their countries cheaply and left their countrymen bareassed while they bought football clubs, megayachts and private islands ...

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20 minutes ago, Count of Montecristo said:

Do you think it’s fair for anyone in Cuba to be making $30 a month when we smoke one of those cigars every day that cost $30 like it’s nothing? I learned about this in the mid 90s when I met Cuban citizens that migrated to America to work at cigar factory is here in San Diego. We pay over $20 for a cigar and the people who rolled it get nothing not even a new shirt to wear. Please don’t kick me out of your group for saying this it’s just the truth. 

You are saying the truth - no worries. I will support you with simple maths :

A roller at El Laguito, the Cohiba factory, has a daily "norm" to roll a certain amount of cigars depending of the vitola.

Let's say he rolls BHK 54 - his norm would be say 100 sticks a day plus whatever he rolls outside the daily norm.

100 BHK 54 a day by 20 days a month ( he will work Saturdays too and some Sundays but let's keep it simple ) = 2000 BHK 54

Price of a BHK 54 in Germany : 61€ a stick.

So he is making  122000 Euros a month for HSA while he is earning 40 Euros a month.

Next question ?

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8 minutes ago, Nino said:

You are saying the truth - no worries. I will support you with simple maths :

A roller at El Laguito, the Cohiba factory, has a daily "norm" to roll a certain amount of cigars depending of the vitola.

Let's say he rolls BHK 54 - his norm would be say 100 sticks a day plus whatever he rolls outside the daily norm.

100 BHK 54 a day by 20 days a month ( he will work Saturdays too and some Sundays but let's keep it simple ) = 2000 BHK 54

Price of a BHK 54 in Germany : 61€ a stick.

So he is making  122000 Euros a month for HSA while he is earning 40 Euros a month.

Next question ?

The math is just sobering, but it doesn't lie. Then again, if nobody smoked cigars and there was no such thing as a roller at El Laguito, then the situation for this individual in Cuba would likely be no different under this regime. He/she would be fulfilling some other job or role, and still be a subject of the state and it's grand plan for the island.

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59 minutes ago, Count of Montecristo said:

On YouTube you’ll see one of the CEOs of Habanos putting his face in most of those Habanos festival videos, The look on his face is pure evil and hatred. Good cigars though. Thanks a lot Obama for supporting this guy. Do you think it’s fair for anyone in Cuba to be making $30 a month when we smoke one of those cigars every day that cost $30 like it’s nothing? I learned about this in the mid 90s when I met Cuban citizens that migrated to America to work at cigar factory is here in San Diego. We pay over $20 for a cigar and the people who rolled it get nothing not even a new shirt to wear. Please don’t kick me out of your group for saying this it’s just the truth. 

No worries, bro.  We are here because we love the cigars, culture, and people of Cuba.  Our criticism and contempt for the Cuban leadership is for the betterment of all Cubans.

That place should be like Hawaii x8.  Ideal location on earth, plenty of resources, very rich culture.  So what if the young peoples’ club music sucks.  That’s true of everywhere.  🙄

And if they haven’t banned me...

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12 minutes ago, Count of Montecristo said:

Was things worse than this with Batista?

It was for the Castros.  And yet they were treated much better than the Castros’ political opponents.

I think that is where the mark gets missed.  The money that is earned by much of the economy doesn’t go into a national account.  It goes into to leaders’ personal accounts offshore.   That’s what the OP is about.   This isn’t really about a failure of socialism as an economic model.   Never really has been.   It’s just that corruption is much, much easier than in a free market.

“Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely“ - Sir Acton

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Properties being sold in Cuba find suckers every day. In the 90's Argentinians, early 2000's the Spanish and now the Chinese. They sell a wonderful story: "Lets have a couple of Bucaneros under this palm tree, I want you to meet some girls." The business starts out well, but then the owner realizes that they have to turn to the black market for supplies. Now they have bags of Cuban pesos that the government is not willing to exchange for USD. Back to the black market to get dollars. The government catches you in these shameful activities, they seize the property and your worthless pesos, kick you out of the country. They threaten you with 20 years in prison if you ever come back. Many have abandoned their business before it gets to this point because of the Cuban Peso. The bank has a 24:1 exchange rate, the streets 60:1 and I'm sure it will get to 100:1 this year. John

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On 5/30/2021 at 9:39 AM, Count of Montecristo said:

I think the 80s TV show Fantasy Island was derived from Cuba

 

Was things worse than this with Batista?

There is a game called Tropico - you get to be the dictator and choose how to rip the people off, take the bribes from overseas multinationals, and imprison activists etc...

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