Hump Day Humour: Aussie Ingenuity

[El Presidente]

We come up with the big ideas 

Diesel fueled Electric Charging Station. 

 

Using diesel to charge EVs in the outback is greener than you think

DECEMBER 14, 2018

BRIDIE SCHMIDT

CREDIT: JON EDWARDS

 

The mantra of many a caryard salesman, when asked about electric cars, is, “But you can’t drive it across the Nullarbor.”

That’s not entirely true – there have been several inspiring examples of travellers who have struck out across the Australian desert under electric power, with Wiebe Wakker and Sylvia Wilson springing instantly to mind.

However, these trips have not been without challenges, because while some very bright sparks in the EV community have organised three-phase power outlets to charge EVs at remote locations such as roadhouses, phases are not always in balance due to diesel generator age and capacity, nor the points always accessible.

Jon Edwards, a retired engineer from Perth, is looking into a solution that may solve this issue for transcontinental travellers, at least until solar powered stations become the norm.

Edwards and a group of fellow EV drivers gathered last week to test out whether powering an EV charger – in this case, a Tritium Veefil 50kW DC charger – with diesel would be not only a reliable solution, but whether the amount of diesel used is at least comparable to that of a diesel-fuelled car.

 

A veteran EV driver, now on his third BMW i3, he tells The Driven that driving to Adelaide and back in an electric car, “I felt like a third class citizen.”

“You’re out the back of some old power station, you’ve got to run a big long lead to plug into a dodgy power point.

“I’m a tax paying citizen and I’m driving an EV, why haven’t we got infrastructure to service us?” he says.

This sparked the idea to put together a solution that could solve this problem – without the hassle of installation that other fuelling options require.

Self-funding the project with an inexpensive diesel generator and the EV charger from Tritium, Edwards bolted the two together, dubbed it the “ChargePod”, and invited a number of EV drivers out to his property in Perth to test it out.

 

Chair of the Tesla Owner’s Club of WA (TOCWA) and AEVA WA branch member Rob Dean joined Jon in the tests, which took place in Perth, with 10 EV drivers total with Tesla Model S and X EVs, attending to assist in the test.

“They want to travel longer distances and …. like the idea of not doing any more damage [to the environment],” he tells The Driven.

He stresses that the point is not to offer a diesel-powered EV charger as the final solution, but as a reliable stop gap until installation of batteries and renewable-powered EV chargers become financially viable.

The testing steps outlined on the TOCWA website are methodical:

ChargePod fuel tank topped up to 38mm from filler neck.

Start charging car – record start and finish battery %, car’s average kWh consumption rate, kWh added to car, session start and finish times.

Change subsequent cars and repeat recordings.

Complete all 10 cars then shut down.

Leave skid overnight to cool.

Use mobile fuel truck with calibrated meter to refuel ChargePod to 38mm from filler neck.

Record total fuel consumption for the test.

As is the calculation method:

Using total kWh added to all cars divided by the total fuel consumed an average kilowatt hour per litre diesel consumed is established – this is 3.392 kWh per litre which is the ChargePod performance.

Using the lifetime average kWh per kilometre for each car (this depends on the car and the driving style and is recorded continually by the car) an individual litres diesel equivalent per kilometre for each car tested can be established

Running the charger for 9 hours and 15 minutes and consuming 108.6 litres of diesel to charge the 10 EVs, the results came in: a total energy consumption (as recorded by the EV power management systems) of 368.4kWh delivered at an average rate of 3.392 kWh/litre.

 

Converted to standard fuel consumption figures using the lifetime average kWh per kilometre, the BMW i3 came in as the most efficient, recording a fuel consumption rate of 4.392 litres/100km – about the same fuel efficiency as a diesel BMW 3 series.

The Tesla models, while scoring higher than the BMW i3 (between 5.011 to 6.014 L/100km for the Model S and 5.689 to 6.957 L/100km for the Model X) came significantly under similarly sized vehicles in their range (for example, a diesel Holden Commodore does 5.7 litres/100km while a VW Touareg diesel SUV does 7.2 litres/100km).

 

Edward’s next step is to trial the system at Jurien Bay, 220km north of Perth, at a local service station where the public can use it, for three months.

EV drivers using the facility will be charged using the Chargefox app, says Edwards, the profits of which will cover costs of getting the system there.

But is it green? It’s better than putting diesel in a car, says Edwards, because the constant running rate of the gennie uses the fuel more efficiently than idling and accelerating in a car.

And, it doesn’t have complex installation needs.

“It’s very simple, it works very well and it’s easy to install, you just drop it off where the roadhouse guy wants it and it starts working,” he says.

Bridie Schmidt

Bridie Schmidt is lead reporter for The Driven, sister site of Renew Economy. She specialises in writing about new technology and has been writing about electric vehicles for two years. She has a keen interest in the role that zero emissions transport has to play in sustainability and is co-organiser of the Northern Rivers Electric Vehicle Forum.

[PigFish]

Hmmm.

That much diesel would get me from 1200 to 1400 statute miles. I could travel that distance, stoping to take a leak and stretching my back notwithstanding with one short break, about 10 minutes to refill the tank. I would not need a $7500 generator to do it. Nor would I need a 3K inverter, nor a special service to come fill the generator at a premium of 30% for the fuel.

Buy a diesel Jetta. Bag the gen, the inverter and the mobile fuel service, spend 10K on cigars, get to your destination faster, safer and probably have about a grand left over to feed Lady Piggy's horses.

Leave the electric bean bag chair for your mate whose middle name is 'sucker.'

Cheers! -the Pig

[La_Tigre]

But is it green? It’s better than putting diesel in a car, says Edwards, because the constant running rate of the gennie uses the fuel more efficiently than idling and accelerating in a car.
 

Now, there’s a huge leap in logic....because the EV cars aren’t inefficiently using charge during idling and acceleration compared to constant speed I suppose....

[Bijan]

37 minutes ago, La_Tigre said:

But is it green? It’s better than putting diesel in a car, says Edwards, because the constant running rate of the gennie uses the fuel more efficiently than idling and accelerating in a car.
 

Now, there’s a huge leap in logic....because the EV cars aren’t inefficiently using charge during idling and acceleration compared to constant speed I suppose....

Yes and no. EVs use virtually no power when idling (just AC and/or heat), and recover power through regenerative breaking when slowing down (the motor runs in reverse and charges the batteries). Of course you can blow a lot of power accelerating rapidly,  but overall better efficiency in stop and go, hence why hybrids kind of make sense. They're not much more efficient at highway speed, but in stop and go they do better due to the electric motor.

[La_Tigre]

14 minutes ago, Bijan said:

Yes and no. EVs use virtually no power when idling (just AC and/or heat), and recover power through regenerative breaking when slowing down (the motor runs in reverse and charges the batteries). Of course you can blow a lot of power accelerating rapidly,  but overall better efficiency in stop and go, hence why hybrids kind of make sense. They're not much more efficient at highway speed, but in stop and go they do better due to the electric motor.

I understand. I own a hybrid and it idles off like virtually all newer ICE’s. I was commenting more on the logic leap assumption of constant diesel burn in the static station vs those pesky idling and accelerating car engines in motion. It sounds nicer than it’s reality. 

[Bijan]

1 minute ago, La_Tigre said:

I understand. I own a hybrid and it idles off like virtually all newer ICE’s. I was commenting more on the logic leap assumption of constant diesel burn in the static station vs those pesky idling and accelerating car engines in motion. It sounds nicer than it’s reality. 

Yes, that makes sense. I think they worded it poorly, by making it sound like it's the generator which is more efficient than a diesel car.

It's really not a contrast between the generator and the diesel engine in a car (which probably don't differ too much in terms of efficiency measured by power output). It's really between the diesel engine in the car and the electric motor in the EV (powered by diesel). It's the EV that uses the fuel more efficiently, just like a hybrid. Basically it's the same logic that allows a gas/diesel powered hybrid to be more efficient, than a gas/diesel powered car.

[DeskSmkr]

Stopgap solution for putting the cart before the horse

Excellent idea, portable vending machine for electricity where there is demand. Wonder what the margin is

[helix]

Future of EV's will be the Hydrogen fuel cell not batteries.

The power grid would not be able to support the charging demand in 5 years if there were widespread battery EV's, but hydrogen distribution and production will through the existing  petroleum infrastructure .