asmazda Posted July 28, 2020 Posted July 28, 2020 Is it going to be problematic to age cc for long term @ 58% and 72 degrees F (room temp)? Thanks in advance for your help!
NSXCIGAR Posted July 28, 2020 Posted July 28, 2020 72 deg long term temp is a bad idea. Beetle eggs will hatch at those temps guaranteed. You'll also have a harder time keeping rH consistent. The humidity choice is even worse. The higher the temps the more moisture is lost to the ambient humidor space requiring higher rH. At those temps rH should be no less than high 60s. A good discussion on this is here: 2 1
Bijan Posted July 28, 2020 Posted July 28, 2020 I believe @PigFish would say that as temperature increases moisture content in cigar goes up, given the same RH level. Or in other words you need less RH as temperature goes up. This is a property of tobacco as a material. Seems counterintuitive but hey that's science
bpm32 Posted July 28, 2020 Posted July 28, 2020 Maybe a bit off topic, but I find 65 °F to be particularly irritating because it’s so close to ambient temperature. The heater and chiller of my humidor are constantly turning on and off. Compounding that is that unlike most places, the coast of California is routinely cool, but much higher than 65% RH. Well, the way to dry the air is to cool it, but it’s already too cold. I used to work in a building where, to get around this issue, all air coming in was chilled to 50 °F to dry it, then reheated to room temp. Then if the RH was too low, there were spritzers in the ceiling to bring it back up. Obviously the energy costs were ridiculous, but it felt exactly the same year round.
asmazda Posted July 28, 2020 Author Posted July 28, 2020 24 minutes ago, NSXCIGAR said: 72 deg long term temp is a bad idea. Beetle eggs will hatch at those temps guaranteed. You'll also have a harder time keeping rH consistent. The humidity choice is even worse. The higher the temps the more moisture is lost to the ambient humidor space requiring higher rH. At those temps rH should be no less than high 60s. A good discussion on this is here: I freeze all my cigars so not worried about beetles, and nothing I can do about the temp. It has to do with my living situation. But temp is stable at 72 degrees. So just trying to figure out what is optimal humidity for aging given my situation. Thanks!
NSXCIGAR Posted July 28, 2020 Posted July 28, 2020 51 minutes ago, asmazda said: I freeze all my cigars so not worried about beetles, and nothing I can do about the temp. It has to do with my living situation. But temp is stable at 72 degrees. So just trying to figure out what is optimal humidity for aging given my situation. Thanks! It's rH consistency that becomes difficult at that temp. As I noted your humidity should be in the high 60s at that temp. Again, lots of technical info in the thread above. 1 hour ago, Bijan said: I believe @PigFish would say that as temperature increases moisture content in cigar goes up, given the same RH level. Or in other words you need less RH as temperature goes up. This is a property of tobacco as a material. Seems counterintuitive but hey that's science Opposite--warm air causes cigars to lose moisture assuming rH inside the humidor is lower than outside. You'll need to compensate with higher rH. The thread above is the best discussion on high heat storage dynamics. 1
Bijan Posted July 28, 2020 Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, NSXCIGAR said: Opposite--warm air causes cigars to lose moisture assuming rH inside the humidor is lower than outside. You'll need to compensate with higher rH. The thread above is the best discussion on high heat storage dynamics. Oops yes you are correct. lol, that's what I found counterintuitive Though that thread seems to indicate that 61RH at 70F is ok, and would be equivalent to 65RH at 80F.
Popular Post NSXCIGAR Posted July 28, 2020 Popular Post Posted July 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bijan said: Oops yes you are correct. lol, that's what I found counterintuitive Though that thread seems to indicate that 61RH at 70F is ok, and would be equivalent to 65RH at 80F. I think Ray likes 70/61 but he's a psycho. Hard to do what he does. And he's geared towards long term storage. I suppose mid-60s rH will probably get the job done. 72/65 should work. 1 4
Viva Vegas Posted July 29, 2020 Posted July 29, 2020 On 7/27/2020 at 5:40 PM, asmazda said: I freeze all my cigars so not worried about beetles, and nothing I can do about the temp. It has to do with my living situation. But temp is stable at 72 degrees. So just trying to figure out what is optimal humidity for aging given my situation. Thanks! Sure you can control the temp, wineodors is the answer. Temp is so important for cigars, just my 2 cents. I live in the desert and it gets hot .I have 3 wineodors and they work great. It's so dry out here when I take a stick out to smoke I lightly spray it with distilled water.
PigFish Posted August 2, 2020 Posted August 2, 2020 On 7/27/2020 at 6:40 PM, NSXCIGAR said: I think Ray likes 70/61 but he's a psycho. Hard to do what he does. And he's geared towards long term storage. I suppose mid-60s rH will probably get the job done. 72/65 should work. ... note to self! Graham is out of the will!!! -tP
NSXCIGAR Posted August 2, 2020 Posted August 2, 2020 56 minutes ago, PigFish said: ... note to self! Graham is out of the will!!! I'll have to rely on that life insurance policy I have on you...waiting for you to smoke those CIA exploding cigars I sent. 1
PigFish Posted August 2, 2020 Posted August 2, 2020 On 7/27/2020 at 6:27 PM, NSXCIGAR said: It's rH consistency that becomes difficult at that temp. As I noted your humidity should be in the high 60s at that temp. Again, lots of technical info in the thread above. Opposite--warm air causes cigars to lose moisture assuming rH inside the humidor is lower than outside. You'll need to compensate with higher rH. The thread above is the best discussion on high heat storage dynamics. ?
kyee Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 I have a very large Aristocrat humidor at home, but I've recently gone dual state residence, and as such I'll be in Hawaii for most of the year going forward. I just noticed that this item is on Costco's website. This might be a good short term solution for some. Costco cigar humidor
Çnote Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 1 hour ago, kyee said: I just noticed that this item is on Costco's website. This might be a good short term solution for some. Costco cigar humidor These are notorious for breaking. If you're handy with solder and circuitboards, it's easy fix, but a Tupperware and boveda may be a better option for most.
Habana Mike Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 3 hours ago, kyee said: I have a very large Aristocrat humidor at home, but I've recently gone dual state residence, and as such I'll be in Hawaii for most of the year going forward. I just noticed that this item is on Costco's website. This might be a good short term solution for some. Costco cigar humidor Doesn't look like they have much capacity though if that box of Cohibas top shelf isn't a cajon of Esplendidos....
NSXCIGAR Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Habana Mike said: Doesn't look like they have much capacity though if that box of Cohibas top shelf isn't a cajon of Esplendidos.... 1.8 cubic feet isn't much. You'd be lucky to get 10 boxes in there. The Tupperware bins seem like a better option every day. I don't need to stare at my cigars through glass.
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