Plume or????

[BarryNY]

Gentleman just trying to confirm from more experienced eyes.....RASS TEB MAR 08.....was FOH HQ box....like a very light powder on the whole stick.....

 

 

[Colt45]

mold - wipe, smoke, enjoy, repeat 

(subject to current mold / plume testing......  )

[Corylax18]

Mold, Looks like water damage on the band as well. As long as it didn't creep up the foot you should be fine. 

[Ivaylo]

def mold. its even on the band! no way u can see plume there

[BarryNY]

Feet are perfect and wrappers are gorgeous dark...

[BarryNY]

OK - no problem thanks - a little wipe and I'm golden...and fyi stored at 62%

[Dmpotocek]

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[dominattorney]

1 hour ago, Dmpotocek said:

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Ah, plume. The lupus of the cigar world. 

[mygar]

Lol so funny... are we ever gonna see plume :/

[Cep]

Interesting that you can get that much mold at 62% rh.  What temperature?

Also how long have you had them?

Of course it could be plume for all I know.  

[TheFullMontecristo]

there's relish on the band. 

[BarryNY]

FYI - smoked amazing  

Temp is 64F.  Had them 2 months but got them from my buddy who had them for awhile in ideal conditions...

 

[Dozerhead]

Mold...it is always mold. I think plume is as common as the Yeti or Loch Ness Monster. 

[Cep]

Ok so the question is how does mold develop on cigars stored at 64f 62% ?

 

[Dmpotocek]

Ok so the question is how does mold develop on cigars stored at 64f 62% ?

 

Direct water contact? Before I found the XXL bovedas, I used a bowl of distilled water in my wineador. Of course it spilled at some point and soaked a box of Mag 50's sitting at the bottom. I don't know how long it sat for, but when I found it the sticks were swollen and had some mold growth. I kept the settings @ 65/65. Mold can still grow at lower temps and lower humidity (a piece of fruit you forgot about in the fridge is a perfect example). Keeping the settings ideal certainly mitigates risk, however doesn't remove it entirely.


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[Islandboy]

3 hours ago, BarryNY said:

FYI - smoked amazing  

 

 

Just when I let go of my Magic Mold theory.....they pull me back in!

[playindirty]

On 4/5/2017 at 11:29 PM, Cep said:

Ok so the question is how does mold develop on cigars stored at 64f 62% ?

 

Well I had a rectangle magnetic humicare with beads in it hydrated the beads left sit on a paper towel for 3 hours before putting in my humidor opened humidor a week later and it came off the lid and was laying on top of the sticks 3 sticks had mold and water spots on them wiped of put in zip lock for a few days and smoked them, needless to say I took this out and use black ice jars and boveda now , so far I'm happy with the black ice however my plan was if i didn't like them I would order some heartfelt and put them in the corner jars 

[TBird55]

Its always mold.

[BrightonCorgi]

On 4/5/2017 at 11:29 PM, Cep said:

Ok so the question is how does mold develop on cigars stored at 64f 62% ?

 

Just like how do tubo's get mold???

[Dave001]

from my personal experiences I have seen mold stored at mid 60s and this is why for the past 11 + years I store my cigars at 70F-72F 58-62RH and have never seen a single cigar of mine ever have mold again (the reason why I went to a higher temp in the first place ) just my 2 cents though of course

[PigFish]

On 4/5/2017 at 4:55 PM, Cep said:

Interesting that you can get that much mold at 62% rh.  What temperature?

Also how long have you had them?

Of course it could be plume for all I know.  

... bingo!

As I have written many times here, rH is only 1/2 of the equation to storing cigars. rH is but half the problem.

I get pictures of a static hygrometers in a wine cooler and get asked, 'what is wrong with this, why do you say it does not work...?' So many of these people store at 65F, with so little room for error, a poor choice (MHO).

Well... if you are developing mold on your cigars, your humidor is not working properly unless you are growing mold AND, quite possibly not as well as you think it does.

Temperatures and rH levels will vary in any humidor. It is the nature of the beast. But if this is happening to one cigar, you can bet many more have capillary water in them. If this was fresh from a vendor then they have had it stored in an extremely wet area in their humidor, storage facility.

I would not likely smoke this cigar for at least a year, stored at a proper level of rH and temperature.

Cheers! -Piggy

[PigFish]

2 hours ago, BrightonCorgi said:

Just like how do tubo's get mold???

Tubos get mold by having the various conditions on Isla Cuba packaged into them and then moved to a colder climate.

We are then talking the absolute water content of the tubo's space, cigar and liner where that water migrates to the most susceptible substrate in a declining temperature... THE CIGAR...!

This is also a pitfall of a wet cigar in a small sealed space. Water can bet baked out during shipping, and when cooled deposit on the inner lining of the tube (the first place to cool) and then transfer first to the wrapper, causing capillary water, and bingo, mold!

I never store tubes closed unless I provide the EMC via at least a year of careful storage.

-Piggy

[Geaux]

On 4/5/2017 at 5:36 PM, mygar said:

Lol so funny... are we ever gonna see plume :/

This. 

 

Every time I see this come up on the board I let my hopes get up that we may actually see plume...

 

 Nope. Never gonna happen.

[Cep]

@PigFish  are you saying that 65F is too close to too cold?

 

[PigFish]

29 minutes ago, Cep said:

@PigFish  are you saying that 65F is too close to too cold?

 

... all subject to my opinion!

Too cold in general, cigars need not be refrigerated. Most of us don't live in 65F ambients. This makes the cigar a water magnet in and out of the humidor when ambient air touches it.

Furthermore, 65rH (if you are able to accurately judge it) and 65F are arguably too wet. Fluctuations due to build design or error in instrumentation can mean that you go over the threshold for capillary water very easily. That was probably the case here.

I am not speculating on this, I have tried it! Often times 65/65 (accurately kept) would net me a mildew oder from a sealed surface humidor over time. Most of this would emirate from the paper products used in the dress box makeup. 65/65 is too wet... MHO and this says nothing about what it does to the smoking experience, again, MHO...

-Piggy