westg Posted May 25, 2016 Posted May 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Colt45 said: I guess the one issue here might be that flying on a commercial airplane is not a right. It's not really rocket science - checked bag or leave it at home. One's fingernails make a great cigar cutter. Bingo ...It's that simple ... It baffles me when people complain about this...... and really.... it is sweet FA in the scope of things ...Check it in or leave at it home ...You have to be a moron to even try take a cutter on a plane ... no matter how you see it ....my advice to you Ken is ..when you do get pinged, take it like a women , smile and walk away. I can just picture you holding tour breath and stamping those feet at check in .
El Presidente Posted May 25, 2016 Posted May 25, 2016 It is a dumb law put forward by dumb bureacrats. Apparently my $2 plastic cutter with a steel blade is going to do more damage than a bic lighter. I mean..they give you a newspaper to use as kindling on a plane
skalls Posted May 25, 2016 Posted May 25, 2016 3 years ago on a trip to Scottsdale my dad had his money clip confiscated bc of a really old, really dull 3/4" knife that was on it. I doubt it;d draw blood and would only annoy someone if you tried to stab them with it. Had a friend that worked for the TSA at the time take it for us and gave it back when we flew back. But yeah, that wasn't serving anyone
Tesoro12 Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 4 hours ago, El Presidente said: It is a dumb law put forward by dumb . Apparently my $2 plastic cutter with a steel blade is going to do more damage than a bic lighter. I mean..they give you a newspaper to use as kindling on a plane They still give you a newspaper on flights in Australia? Spoiled over there........ We in the US lost that "amenity" over a decade ago.
El Presidente Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, Tesoro12 said: They still give you a newspaper on flights in Australia? Spoiled over there........ We in the US lost that "amenity" over a decade ago. Absolutely. Your choice of the daily city rag or the Australian National newspaper. You can't actually read the latter as it is in broadsheet.....takes up three seats. 1
Tesoro12 Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 11 minutes ago, El Presidente said: Absolutely. Your choice of the daily city rag or the Australian National newspaper. You can't actually read the latter as it is in broadsheet.....takes up three seats. You think that would stop a fine gentleman like me? Lord heavens no, I paid for this seat and I intend to read all 3 seats worth!
Duxnutz Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 6 hours ago, El Presidente said: It is a dumb law put forward by dumb bureacrats. Apparently my $2 plastic cutter with a steel blade is going to do more damage than a bic lighter. I mean..they give you a newspaper to use as kindling on a plane Exactly. Also the full bottle of liquor or whatever other liquid you'd like all in your carry-on, also the pair of scissor, knitting needles etc - all more dangerous than a tiny cutter. Don't get me started on the explosive trace detection circus for operating crew on a daily basis. Targeted profiling of active threats I'm a fan of but what we have in the US/Oz is just theatre.
westg Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 57 minutes ago, Sheehanadam said: Exactly. Also the full bottle of liquor or whatever other liquid you'd like all in your carry-on, also the pair of scissor, knitting needles etc - all more dangerous than a tiny cutter. Don't get me started on the explosive trace detection circus for operating crew on a daily basis. Targeted profiling of active threats I'm a fan of but what we have in the US/Oz is just theatre. Must be a little different here in Perth ..not permitted to take any sharps on ...scissors ,knitting needles or anything of the like ....no lighters or flammables ...liquid can only be carried on once purchased ...after check in and security .. Spoiler
LordAnubis Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 Nah man i get through Perth all the time with the iroda. Both international and domestic. And yes i got over the cutters getting confiscated long ago. I've mastered the art of picking the cap of cigars with my nail. And i either precut torpedos or just dont take any with me.
Ken Gargett Posted May 26, 2016 Author Posted May 26, 2016 13 hours ago, Orion21 said: I honestly have to say I'm disappointed in Ken's post. It's not only disrespectful, but borders on racist. " not to profile but if he had grenades hanging from his belt he could hardly look more like a terrorist." For shame. interesting. i actually said that because he looked so scruffy. shirt out. longish hair not washed for who knows how long. looked like he had started to shave and then got distracted. as far as i am aware he was australian - i didn't think to ask - and i have no idea of his religion and less interest. but interesting that is where your mind went. perhaps that says more about you.
Ken Gargett Posted May 26, 2016 Author Posted May 26, 2016 i could retrieve it and go back out and put it through checked luggage, which i did, but it is a pain in the proverbial and my point is more that i have taken that cutter through that same security desk probably 100 times. there has never been the slightest problem. suddenly there is, and he is insisting that they would have never let the thing through before. which is simply wrong. i do think we are entitled to a little consistency.
westg Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 1 hour ago, LordAnubis said: Nah man i get through Perth all the time with the iroda. Both international and domestic. And yes i got over the cutters getting confiscated long ago. I've mastered the art of picking the cap of cigars with my nail. And i either precut torpedos or just dont take any with me. No lighters are permitted, if you snuck it through good for you...how do you go with your crochet hook ?.. cant we have some friendly banter without a racist card being thrown in ...geeeee..a little disappointing .. 1
El Presidente Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 No problem with Bic lighters out of BrisVegas!!!! I have had my $2 plastic cutter with me on domestic and international travel (carry on) for 2 years. No one has said squat. They can have it if they ask. small price to pay for all the other contraband I am carrying 1
OZCUBAN Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 No problem with Nic lighters or there about some here in Perth took the iroda to Singapore BIc part in pocket /hand luggage,and the shell in my checked in along with cigars and cutters. i agree with West if you don't want to loose it check it in cheers
Joshtupps Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 Ken, you are not alone. Having spent many years studying and working my b******s off to become part of the operating crew, I thought that I may be rewarded a little decorum and just maybe an inkling of respect (the same respect with which I treat everybody in life) when making my way through security all over the world. I am sad to say I was wrong. I have seen cabin crew verbally bullied for not removing a lip balm from their bag, a Captains Rolex was being worn by the "gentleman" on security after it had been scanned, upon questioning he was taken off for "further investigations", my beloved Mont Blanc Meisterstuck mysteriously disappeared going through security in London (never to be seen again), a metal teaspoon was removed from my flight bag in New York as it was considered a "threat to the aircraft and it's crew" and when I apologised I was told "It's fine, you're one delaying 300 people, explain that to your company". Never have I had the misfortune of dealing with such an unreasonable, shallow minded, jumped up bunch of bullies in my life. It's the worst part of my job for sure. Tupps.
Ken Gargett Posted May 26, 2016 Author Posted May 26, 2016 28 minutes ago, Joshtupps said: Ken, you are not alone. Having spent many years studying and working my b******s off to become part of the operating crew, I thought that I may be rewarded a little decorum and just maybe an inkling of respect (the same respect with which I treat everybody in life) when making my way through security all over the world. I am sad to say I was wrong. I have seen cabin crew verbally bullied for not removing a lip balm from their bag, a Captains Rolex was being worn by the "gentleman" on security after it had been scanned, upon questioning he was taken off for "further investigations", my beloved Mont Blanc Meisterstuck mysteriously disappeared going through security in London (never to be seen again), a metal teaspoon was removed from my flight bag in New York as it was considered a "threat to the aircraft and it's crew" and when I apologised I was told "It's fine, you're one delaying 300 people, explain that to your company". Never have I had the misfortune of dealing with such an unreasonable, shallow minded, jumped up bunch of bullies in my life. It's the worst part of my job for sure. Tupps. may be i was so pissed because i have seen so many similar things - i have no trouble at all believing all this. i could fill this forum with stories. i suspect you have many more. one that did not involve me was in the early days post 9/11 when cork screws were stopped. okay, understand why (sort of) and many of us often forgot - thank whatever divinity flicks your switch for screwcaps). a good mate flying out of sydney had a fabulous laguiole corkscrew. it was taken as illegal. fair enough. after he stepped through, he realised how valuable it was and so went back to have it put through check-in, rather than lose it. the security guard denied any knowledge of it. total lie, of course. unfortunately for the security guard, my mate's wife was very close friends with the airport manager. he went straight to her. she got immediately into the security tapes and they spotted the bloke pocketing the laguiole. i'm delighted to say he was sacked on the spot for theft.
Orion21 Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 8 hours ago, Ken Gargett said: interesting. i actually said that because he looked so scruffy. shirt out. longish hair not washed for who knows how long. looked like he had started to shave and then got distracted. as far as i am aware he was australian - i didn't think to ask - and i have no idea of his religion and less interest. but interesting that is where your mind went. perhaps that says more about you. Oh this is BS Ken and you know it. Reread your post and no one would take it for anything other than what I did. How does looking like a slob relate to looking like a terrorist? I wrote what I wrote because I think you are a smart and entertaining guy who went overboard on this one. I might not fly as often as you, but I fly 15-20 times per year. I'm pretty sure our security procedures and rules in the USA are probably the same as in Australia . . . and I wouldn't carry a cigar cutter in my carry-on, let alone my pocket. Common sense tells me that at some point I will run into a TSA agent who will object to it and I don't want the hassle. I mean your Government travel security website makes is pretty darn simple:
kuma Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 Well Ken at least you get to keep what you carry with you. Here in the states TSA workers make off with I-phones, lap tops, watchs. Tons of these low lifes have been firied for stealing. Not sure what kind of background check they do before hiring. I think it is akin to when my dad enlisted in the US Army before WW2. Check your teeth, see if you can stand straight, cough, walk straight, check to see in your ears, eyes,nose, throat and thats about it. They forgot to tell these nut bags that they work for us not the other way around!
Ken Gargett Posted May 26, 2016 Author Posted May 26, 2016 4 hours ago, Orion21 said: Oh this is BS Ken and you know it. Reread your post and no one would take it for anything other than what I did. How does looking like a slob relate to looking like a terrorist? you must have been the guy standing behind me. how the hell do you concoct this crap? you are sitting on the other side of the world and you are telling me, and apparently everyone else, why i wrote what i did. what i saw. perhaps the word automatically invokes that in you but that is hardly my fault (you might want to expand your thinking - or perhaps you wouldn't include timothy mcveigh, if we want to go down that path?) you label me a racist on the basis of a post that does not, if you want to reread it, mention nationality, religion, colour, race, country - you name it. not a mention. and then instead of having the balls to apologise, you label me a liar. you can't possibly imagine the respect i'm feeling.
Ken Gargett Posted May 26, 2016 Author Posted May 26, 2016 5 hours ago, Orion21 said: Oh this is BS Ken and you know it. Reread your post and no one would take it for anything other than what I did. How does looking like a slob relate to looking like a terrorist? before this gets out of hand and shut down, is it possible that, remembering when i write this stuff i am not trying to recreate shakespeare and do not necessarily spend 3 hours over every word, as - i am at an airport i am in a security line i am stopped by security (whether or not i think what they did was draconian, given there had never been a problem before) i have an item taken from me so it can't be used in an attack on plane staff (in other words, the security staff have to make certain i am not, or cannot act like, a terrorist, no matter what i look like), that one's mind could actually go to "terrorist"? without it having anything to do with nationality, religion or anything of that ilk? is that not the most likely scenario for this? and that there really is not the slightest shred of evidence suggesting i am a racist, a deeply offensive slur, despite what you might want to think? 1
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