danny Posted October 6, 2015 Posted October 6, 2015 Hey everyone, hope you're all having a wonderful week. Anyways, after reading a few comments regarding the H. Upmann No. 2 Reserva offering in the 24:24 post, I was hoping to get some clarification on the two Habanos programs. First off, I'll just say that I've tried the following only out of all the releases... Cohiba Siglo VI GR (x2) Partagas Lusitania GR (x1) Romeo y Julieta Churchill Reserva (x1) Anyways, I always assumed that Habanos grew, harvested, aged, and utilized the best tobacco available from that year's harvest for the respective cigar's standard blend or "recipe", if you will. i.e. Basically the CGR being the best Cohiba Siglo VI that could be made from the year's harvest then aged some more. BUT, recently I heard that that wasn't true and that the Gran Reserva and Reserva programs were actually meant to be more of a "tribute" blend/rendition of the cigar selected; with the regular production blend not being used. I'm not sure it they meant it was loosely based on the original blend or completely different, but what makes it more confusing is that I personally have had mixed experiences. For example, the few Siglo VI GR's I've had tasted like a Siglo VI, albeit the absolute best I've ever had. But at the same time, the Lusi GR and RyJ Churchill had more nuances of their standard counterpart, unlike the CGR did. Anyone have insight on this whether it be from personal experience or direct/indirect knowledge? Much appreciated!!
Lotusguy Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 I have sampled all of the reservas except the Partagas D4. In fact, I am just finishing the first of the Upmann #2 Reservas as I type this. With the exception of the RyJ Churchill Reserva which was just simply bitter, metallic, awful burning crap, they all tasted like amped-up incredibly smooth versions of the regular releases. My vote would be for them being the same or very similar blends. Personally, I don't think the huge price premium is warranted and I would rather buy aged versions of the cigars (or age them myself) - therefore I left it at a handful of each of them. 1
markmurase Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 I have sampled all of the reservas except the Partagas D4. In fact, I am just finishing the first of the Upmann #2 Reservas as I type this. With the exception of the RyJ Churchill Reserva which was just simply bitter, metallic, awful burning crap, they all tasted like amped-up incredibly smooth versions of the regular releases. My vote would be for them being the same or very similar blends. Personally, I don't think the huge price premium is warranted and I would rather buy aged versions of the cigars (or age them myself) - therefore I left it at a handful of each of them. I agree 100% with all of Lutusguy's comments (except I have not tried the Upmann #2 Reservas). The Cohiba Siglo VI Gran Reservas were exceptional. The RyJ Churchill Reservas were bloody ordinary. The Gran Reservas are special and I'm happy I've tried them, but difficult for me to justify the price. I think the Cohiba Siglo IV Gran Reserva, Partagas Lusi Gran Reserva and RyJ Churchill Reservas all showed the DNA of their standard production cousins, but better. Cheers, Mark
ars Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 Little bit off topic... Maybe the EL's is the same?
Lotusguy Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 Little bit off topic... Maybe the EL's is the same? Definitely not. A lot of them have a very generic chocolate profile that has nothing to do with regular production. That's my opinion, of course 1
CigSid Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 I have sampled all of the reservas except the Partagas D4. In fact, I am just finishing the first of the Upmann #2 Reservas as I type this. With the exception of the RyJ Churchill Reserva which was just simply bitter, metallic, awful burning crap, they all tasted like amped-up incredibly smooth versions of the regular releases. My vote would be for them being the same or very similar blends. Personally, I don't think the huge price premium is warranted and I would rather buy aged versions of the cigars (or age them myself) - therefore I left it at a handful of each of them. Similar experience, except that the first box of R y J's were somewhat ordinary, the second box were crazy good... I think they are worth every penny, if you buy them at release...
ars Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 Definitely not. A lot of them have a very generic chocolate profile that has nothing to do with regular production. That's my opinion, of course Thank you Lotusguy! Your opinion is definitively important to me because I never had an GR or a R!
Lant63 Posted October 8, 2015 Posted October 8, 2015 Similar experience, except that the first box of R y J's were somewhat ordinary, the second box were crazy good... I think they are worth every penny, if you buy them at release... I have to add to this. I have only smoked one RyJ Reserva and it was fabulous. At times it rivaled the best cigar I have ever smoked. I think these will develop into greatness. Upon initial release I heard that were not good. The PGR fantastic but I wish it had a touch more strength 1
wolfain Posted October 8, 2015 Posted October 8, 2015 Interesting... Almost thought of plonking down some money for a box of GRs, guess maybe not! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
CanuckSARTech Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 The PGR fantastic but I wish it had a touch more strength Which PGR????????
Smallclub Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 Which PGR???????? There is only one Partagas GR: the Lusitania GR Cochesa 2007 released in 2013. 1
mk05 Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 RyJ were the worst I've ever had, being a Romeo junkie. It had nothing to do with the marca, was overtly generic, and it might as well have been bandaged as those similarly atrocious Anejado Churchills. CGR is like Siglo VI on steroids. It's mature, but still tough to nose because it's just so intense. 2
Puros Y Vino Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 The CGR definitely had the Siglo VI DNA but elevated. Probably the best GR of the bunch hands down. I found the MGR's to be superior to M2's but then again, not a huge fan of M2's. If all M2's were MGR calibre I'd reconsider. The PGR did not differ much from the 5YO Lusitanias I have. The Monte 4 Reserva is 10x better than even the best M4 I've ever had. Have not tried the PSD4, Upmann 2, RyJ Chuchill Reservas for RyJGR. I'd guess on the side of the same blend, with better tobacco. 1
packerjh Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 Great topic...never tried any of the GR but do have one PGR that was gifted by a friend on another forum. Waiting for that perfect uninterrupted afternoon to give it a go...
Smallclub Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 The CGR is the only one I've enjoyed. That being said, I believe that they were the same blend as a SigVI, with extra attention paid to the wrapper quality. Taste wise they are SigVIs with age. This matches my experience and opinion. To me the Monte 4 Reserva was a good Monte 4 with extra ligero; the D4 Reserva was a good, well aged D4.
Hoepssa Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 M2 GR tasted like Juan Lopez 2010 ER(Asia), yep smooth and too smooth. normal GR are fabulous, it's like picking the best one among a 3 yrs aged box, without that black color band, it's just a better cigar, and don't forget the price.
Lant63 Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 Thanks for answering for someone else. I know there's only one Party GR. He knows what I was referring to. He's referring to the ones I bought from rob sometime last year. Edit: I tried selling said box last Christmas time, the buyer was not happy with the fact that glue was on the bands. He claimed they were fake. Knowing that they were genuine and that I bought them from rob I denied a refund to the buyer, but eventually issued one. I did not handle the situation well. Sent by telepathic superpowers. -Stogieboy 1
mk05 Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 I did not handle the situation well. We live and learn, then get Luvs. 2
Puros Y Vino Posted November 5, 2015 Posted November 5, 2015 @CanuckSARTech @Oliverdst @SmallClub It's too early in the day for this and I've got a full schedule ahead of me today. But, please take this offline. Regardless of past and current "transgressions" things have been dealt with. I don't mind if members keep each other in check, but let's not start a pile on here. For the sake of this thread, I'm hiding your "*** for tat" posts so that the core discussion may continue. Take a breather gents. You've said your piece, it's been made public, but now it's time to put it to rest. Feel free to joust via PM. 1
RijkdeGooier Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 All blends are slightly tweaked from what I've been told.
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