bigben Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 If the Embargo is lifted.....I can't wait to smoke Pepin's cigars blended with Cuban tobacco. What is your take on this topic?
DoubleDD Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 The cigars from Cuba are already blended with Nicaraguan tobacco, aren't they? ? 4
Colt45 Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 If the Embargo is lifted..... What is your take on this topic? That the ending of the embargo does not automatically equate to Cuban tobacco being available outside of Cuba - or to just anyone inside, either.
SCgarman Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 If the Embargo is lifted.....I can't wait to smoke Pepin's cigars blended with Cuban tobacco. What is your take on this topic? Highly doubt Cuba would just sell bales of tobacco to NC cigar makers or anyone else. They know they have an exclusive product that nobody else has and sure they would keep it that way. Embargo isn't going anywhere for awhile folks!
CaptainQuintero Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 Can't agree more with colt. Even if the embargo ends tomorrow the regime in Cuba is the same and has complete control over Cuban tobacco. A better question would be "Are you looking forward to the possibility of Cuban and other nation's tobacco being blended when Cuba has moved to a system of government which does not have a monopoly over the tobacco industry" Not as catchy though I admit
Puros Y Vino Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 I doubt it. Cuba's advantage is their tobacco. Why sell/share it with NC vendors if the US market opens up to them? The Cuban Puro is highly prized worldwide, an NC/CC blend is not. 1
Scott08 Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 I'm happy with my CC's and a few select Fuentes.
ars Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 Not me. And i don't believe they want to sell tobacco as raw material. Cuba have everything they need (regarding to cigars). The mystic, the tobacco, the blend and expertise. Why would they sell tobacco leafs when they can sell finished products with more aggregated value? I think the lift of the embargo will change commercial relations around the globe with Cuba, not their internal policies. I think bundwallah, CaptainQuintero, NYCgarman and Colt 45 line of thinking is right.
Habana Mike Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 Not sure the blockade is even truly relevant to the question as I expect cigar makers outside the US would already be using Cuban tobacco if it were available to them. They just couldn't legally sell them in the US. Leaves the rest of the world though, doesn't it? 1
MIKA27 Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 It's just another blend, I'd give anything a shot. If it's good, people will purchase, if not, it will be discontinued.
Smallclub Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 Good cuban leaves won't improve nicaraguan ligero that taste like chili soaked in mud… And again, habanos are great precisely because they are cuban puros. 2
perkinke Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 This has actually already been done. A certain European retailer that is well known to this board, and a friend of our host, that sells a custom line that incorporates Cuban tobacco with Sumatran. I didn't personally like the blend but it has potential. I believe I have also seen other advertisements that claim to make such blends, though I can't vouch for their honesty.
polarbear Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 I cant see it happening in the short term If the boarders do open up HSA will have 250 million more consumers to market to, so I doubt they'll be in a hurry to sell what little spare tobacco they have (if any) You may see some of the larger NC manufactures getting their hands on a bale or two to experiment with in the factory, but probably not in any quantity that could justify a full release Also, most NC makers have built their business on the idea that Cuban Tobacco isn't all its cracked up to be, incorporating this "inferior" tobacco into their blends may be seen as admission that there is something to Cuban tobacco after all, thus fuelling the mad grab for genuine Cuban cigars when they become readily available in the US 1
Smallclub Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 This has actually already been done. A certain European retailer that is well known to this board, and a friend of our host, that sells a custom line that incorporates Cuban tobacco with Sumatran. I didn't personally like the blend but it has potential. If there is cuban tobacco in this blend, it's the tobacco used for pesos cigars or cigarettes. Very poor cigar IMO. 1
dtrott Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 I doubt it. Cuba's advantage is their tobacco. Why sell/share it with NC vendors if the US market opens up to them? The Cuban Puro is highly prized worldwide, an NC/CC blend is not. Agree with you .Why dilute their product and what would be the upside of doing this? 1
SCgarman Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 I cant see it happening in the short term If the boarders do open up HSA will have 250 million more consumers to market to, so I doubt they'll be in a hurry to sell what little spare tobacco they have (if any) You may see some of the larger NC manufactures getting their hands on a bale or two to experiment with in the factory, but probably not in any quantity that could justify a full release Also, most NC makers have built their business on the idea that Cuban Tobacco isn't all its cracked up to be, incorporating this "inferior" tobacco into their blends may be seen as admission that there is something to Cuban tobacco after all, thus fuelling the mad grab for genuine Cuban cigars when they become readily available in the US Wait a minute!! You are saying there are 250 million cigar smokers in the US? There are 320 million of us in the entire country. Less than 5 million Americans are regular cigar smokers.
perkinke Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 I cant see it happening in the short term If the boarders do open up HSA will have 250 million more consumers to market to, so I doubt they'll be in a hurry to sell what little spare tobacco they have (if any) You may see some of the larger NC manufactures getting their hands on a bale or two to experiment with in the factory, but probably not in any quantity that could justify a full release Also, most NC makers have built their business on the idea that Cuban Tobacco isn't all its cracked up to be, incorporating this "inferior" tobacco into their blends may be seen as admission that there is something to Cuban tobacco after all, thus fuelling the mad grab for genuine Cuban cigars when they become readily available in the US I don't think it is so much the cigar growers/manufacturers that have denigrated Cuban tobacco, it is largely the retailers. And frankly, I don't think a lot of consumers pay a whole lot of attention to it. Folks who frequent boards like ours do, but we also tend to be more obsessive about our hobby. As for the quality of the tobacco in the blend I mentioned above, if I remember correctly, it seemed to be short-filler to me and only 20% of the total blend. As for peso cigars or cigarette tobacco I wouldn't know, i've never had either. But I do not doubt the retailer at all, in my opinion they have an unimpeachable reputation. It's certainly worth trying if a person is curious. 1
dvickery Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 If they blend Cuban/non Cuban tobacco ... It would end tobacco beetle infestations forever . Derrek
MrGTO Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 I say no thanks. I have never found a NC that I thought to myself, "Self, I would love a box of these!" I have multiple coolers full of CCs with 0 NCs. I personally hope the people who talk **** about CC cigar keep smoking NC cigars and go away...., but that's me being greedy.
Phinz Posted October 1, 2015 Posted October 1, 2015 My prediction, if Cuba ever has the opportunity is something like what happened to Kona coffee.... In the late 90's more "Kona" coffee was sold than Kona had the capacity to produce, so clearly somebody was introducing coffee beans grown elsewhere into the production/distribution chain... Once the marketers sleuthed out the companies introducing the faux Kona, you have a bunch of multi-million dollar lawsuits (likely most of the proceeds going to the lawyers)... Then you end up with "100% Kona" labeling for pure Kona coffee and a vast amount more "Kona Blend" coffee for those blends containing "some" Kona beans (maybe 1 bean per pound?? Who knows!). Same idea applied to Cigars: first a bunch of "Cuban" cigars with someone sneaking in NC tobacco to make up for short supplies, then lawsuits, then some "100% Cuban" cigars and "Cuban Blend" for the rest. Personally, I'd love to see some skilled blenders get the chance to play with some CC/NC blends and see what they can accomplish with their art. However, in the real world I can't see this happening as anything other than a profit play, so I'd rather keep CC and NC apart. 1
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