ethernomad Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 You are standing in a room which contains two boxes of every vitola from each marca. All wrappers in all boxes are equally oily. However, one box out of every pair contains darker wrappers. Would you always pick the darker wrapper?
Popular Post El Presidente Posted September 8, 2015 Popular Post Posted September 8, 2015 You are standing in a room which contains two boxes of every vitola from each marca. All wrappers in all boxes are equally oily. However, one box out of every pair contains darker wrappers. Would you always pick the darker wrapper? No. As an example (rule of thumb) I would choose: Lighter oily wrapers on Cohiba/LGC/HDM/Juan Lopez Darker Oily thin wrappers on Montecristo/Partagas/Bolivar 6
ethernomad Posted September 8, 2015 Author Posted September 8, 2015 No. As an example (rule of thumb) I would choose: Lighter oily wrapers on Cohiba/LGC/HDM/Juan Lopez Darker Oily thin wrappers on Montecristo/Partagas/Bolivar Prez, I get the sense that you have perhaps stood in such a room. I appreciate you chiming in.
Smallclub Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 I don't want dark wrappers on Hoyo, Quai d'Orsay, RyJ, Juan Lopez… 2
El Presidente Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Prez, I get the sense that you have perhaps stood in such a room. I appreciate you chiming in. I would love to see more high quality light shiny (oily) tensile wrappers. Quite rare these days.
Kyoung Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Darker Oily thin wrappers on Montecristo/Partagas/Bolivar Prez, Might be a rookie question but I'm relatively new, how can you tell a thin wrapper from one which is thick?
shlomo Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Smell and feel are so much more important than look imo.
Smallclub Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Might be a rookie question but I'm relatively new, how can you tell a thin wrapper from one which is thick? Compare a Nicaraguan cigar to a Quai d'Orsay or a Cohiba. It's obvious to the touch/feel. 1
Kyoung Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Compare a Nicaraguan cigar to a Quai d'Orsay or a Cohiba. It's obvious to the touch/feel. If by the more delicate/less rugged feel of the Cohiba or Orsay then I know exactly what you mean! Just never thought to associate that feeling with a thinner wrapper but makes sense! Thanks
Guest Robusto 107 Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Some experienced people said dark wrapper on light body cigar are likely bitter taste. Is that true? I just have one time experience when I got a dark ERDM CS 50s years ago, heavily bittered cannot smoke.
Lotusguy Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 I am firmly in the "lighter is better" camp. Most PSP or HQ selections posted in the 24:24 don't turn me on at all. 1
AussieCanuck Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Prez, Might be a rookie question but I'm relatively new, how can you tell a thin wrapper from one which is thick? Even as a rookie you can tell (even in a pic) Which wrapper is thicker on these two sticks (or 'toothier' as some might say) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2
jdo2110 Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 No. As an example (rule of thumb) I would choose: Lighter oily wrapers on Cohiba/LGC/HDM/Juan Lopez Darker Oily thin wrappers on Montecristo/Partagas/Bolivar I'm exactly on par with this, with the exception being that those lighter wrappers are a rosado Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Scrubber Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Will a thin wrapper ever be toothy? Or is that a distinctive feature of a thicker wrapper? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
AussieCanuck Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Will a thin wrapper ever be toothy? Or is that a distinctive feature of a thicker wrapper? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk All in the eye of the beholder I guess, but I wouldn't describe a thin wrapper as 'toothy'.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Habana Mike Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Smoked some amazing Monte Especials last night with Claro wrappers,, almost green. Awesome smokes. It's more about the tobacco in general and the leaf itself than the wrapper color for me. 2
shlomo Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Fairly certain "toothiness" has nothing to do with thickness of wrapper leaf.... 1
Scrubber Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Fairly certain "toothiness" has nothing to do with thickness of wrapper leaf.... That was my understanding but given the above I thought I may be wrong. Isn't "Toothiness" just the little bumps on the wrapper? I have seen some toothy wrappers which I considered thin wrapper. Not sure now... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
JohnS Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 That was my understanding but given the above I thought I may be wrong. Isn't "Toothiness" just the little bumps on the wrapper? I have seen some toothy wrappers which I considered thin wrapper. Not sure now...Toothiness is another description for the veins on the wrapper. You are actually more inclined to encounter veins on a wrapper the darker it is...unless manufacturers artficially make their wrappers a 'maduro' shade, but that's another story!
Scrubber Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Toothiness is another description for the veins on the wrapper. You are actually more inclined to encounter veins on a wrapper the darker it is...unless manufacturers artficially make their wrappers a 'maduro' shade, but that's another story!That's what I initially thought but then I read that it is the little bumps on the wrapper. I also saw a YouTube video from cigarobsession explaining it at the bumps too. Now I don't know what to think lolSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Smallclub Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Toothiness is another description for the veins on the wrapper. No, toothiness is not related to the veins. A wrapper can be "toothy" without a single apparent vein, and it can be very veiny without a single tooth.
treberty Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Wrappers account for 8-10% of the taste. High quality wrappers help for consistency of the burning - just as the binder leaf does, but we can't inspect it! Therefore I think it's a matter of preference (or a psychological block in my case ;-) ) I would never buy a box of really dark Lusis (and most Partagas for that matter) - they have to be a nice brown (colorado or colorado maduro at the most), just like my Juan Lopez #2 need to be what is called rosado here... On the other hand, a nice maduro shade compliments Montecristos, especially if they're oily. That's why opening the boxes (or having someone that inspects each box for me) is so important. Different tastes for each aficionado I guess. Remember the girls you dated when you were 16: the prettiest ones were not always the most fun - same goes for cigars So in short, to me anyways, a wrapper is a good indicator of the quality of the box, but not necessarily the only one - smell is more important IMO.
JohnS Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 On 9/8/2015 at 5:03 PM, Scrubber said: That's what I initially thought but then I read that it is the little bumps on the wrapper. I also saw a YouTube video from cigarobsession explaining it at the bumps too. Now I don't know what to think lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk On 9/8/2015 at 8:57 PM, Smallclub said: No, toothiness is not related to the veins. A wrapper can be "toothy" without a single apparent vein, and it can be very veiny without a single tooth. I stand corrected...toothiness does indeed refer to little bumps in a wrapper. Below is a quote from Gary Korb at Cigar Advisor... Toothy refers to the rough-textured feel of the wrapper leaf like Connecticut Broadleaf, as opposed to the silky feel of Connecticut Shade. This toothiness comes from tiny pimples on the leaf, that are filled with tobacco oils, and usually the result of sun-grown wrappers. Toothy wrappers on cigars are a good thing. The advantage to toothy leaves are: they tend to be more oily and flavorful. Both Sumatra and Cameroon leaf are naturally toothy, and when cured properly, are sweet in flavor and very aromatic. The toothiest tobacco leaf of all is African Cameroon, but toothiness is found in wrappers from just about every tobacco-growing country. What is interesting here though is the assertion that toothy wrappers tend to be sun grown. Sun grown wrappers are more likely to have veins than shade grown (and be less silky), hence most probably explaining the confusion that can occur on what 'toothiness' is. 1
DoubleDD Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Define "10% of a taste" 1 taste bud out of every 10???? ? I'm not that good to say "hmmm that wrapper tastes like 10% of my overall taste experience."
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