AussieCanuck Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Interesting article... http://m.smh.com.au/national/health/ban-considered-as-trial-tests-if-vapour-safer-20130914-2trj1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuintero Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 The fallout when these are discovered to be just as, if not more dangerous than fags is going to be massive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Funny, is Canada the only country where the use of any nicotine in these is illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuintero Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 As far as i know they are banned in all the same places as real cigarettes in the UK: buses pubs offices etc My friend has one and accidentally spilt the liquid on his kitchen side while refilling;, it took off all the varnish, paint, stain etc down to the bare wood in seconds :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisEss Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Is Australia really considering outlawing smoking altogether as this article says? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polarbear Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 No way The country would go broke if they did They are talking about upping the taxes though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophidion Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 I use a vaporizer for low dose nicotine at work and at home. I quit smoking cigarettes 4 years ago and it fills the void without having to inhale burning leaves. It's a good alternative and it's a shame that they are trying to pass legislation against it. Nicotine itself is about as harmful as caffeine by itself. No long term studies are done but there are quite a few supporting medical articles extolling the relative safety of doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixa Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 I use a vaporizer for low dose nicotine at work and at home. I quit smoking cigarettes 4 years ago and it fills the void without having to inhale burning leaves. It's a good alternative and it's a shame that they are trying to pass legislation against it. Nicotine itself is about as harmful as caffeine by itself. No long term studies are done but there are quite a few supporting medical articles extolling the relative safety of doing so. Nicotine is a very dangerous and poisonous substance in 100% pure form as you are saying its the same as caffeine it can actually kill you with just getting some on your skin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixa Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 As far as i know they are banned in all the same places as real cigarettes in the UK: buses pubs offices etc My friend has one and accidentally spilt the liquid on his kitchen side while refilling;, it took off all the varnish, paint, stain etc down to the bare wood in seconds :s They are not banned anywhere in the UK some company's like pub chains may not allow there use like they done with smoking before the ban. I call bull **** on the second statement as glycerine (some forms sold as child cough medicine) and some food grade flavourings will not strip varnish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallclub Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Nicotine is harmful? You should read Agatha Christie's Three Act Tragedy… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophidion Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 We aren't talking about pure nicotine here. It's usually diluted to a concentration of 0-24mg/ml. Yes, skin contact is not ideal but even at the higher concentrations as long as you aren't pouring it on yourself you are relatively safe. When I made my own flavors I use doubled up latex gloves as a precaution as I was working with 60mg/ml concentrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuintero Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Whatever is in them, Who knows the full list?) can strip paint and you shouldn't get it on your skin, but it's being vaporised and then inhaled into the lungs. If I smoked I'd keep on the fags lol. At least there will be no paint in your lungs I guess! I call bull **** on the second statement as glycerine (some forms sold as child cough medicine) and some food grade flavourings will not strip varnish. I helped him remove the work surface and fit the new one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laficion Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Stick to cigars, that's all. And you'll be fine. !!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophidion Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Some flavors are very acidic due to citrus extracts. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuintero Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 They are not banned anywhere in the UK some company's like pub chains may not allow there use like they done with smoking before the ban. Agreed, there's no legal ban but they essentially share the same legislation now due to companies imposing their own bans, all public transport, hospitals, supermarkets, cinemas, pub/restaurant chains etc. I'm trying to think of places indoors that do allow them now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixa Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 I know a few guys that I regularly go to the pub with and not one has ever had a problem with using them and I have never seen a sign in my life banning them,(please if I am wrong show me) quite a few airlines actually sell them on the planes for use on board (though some due ban them as well). @ophidiom I suppose we can class arsenic and a lot of other chemicals in there with just as safe as caffeine then as they dont cause problems as long as diluted down. Agreed, there's no legal ban but they essentially share the same legislation now due to companies imposing their own bans, all public transport, hospitals, supermarkets, cinemas, pub/restaurant chains etc. I'm trying to think of places indoors that do allow them now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophidion Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 I guess comparing relative safeties of two different but frequently ingested chemicals was going too far. I'll be sure to check with the safety police next time I post. Also, arsenic (trioxide) is currently used to treat leukemia patients who are resistant to other forms of chemotherapy. So you know, there is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuintero Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Never seen a sign either but I see lots of people approached by staff in pretty much every type of building and they are told to stop as it's against store policy. I'm guessing they are just blanket banning them in-store the same as bringing in outside food and drink etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophidion Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 They are not allowed at my place of work but they don't mind if you go outside and smoke. I think it's much more of a "we don't want to smell your pineapple chocolate smoke" policy which I totally agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habana Mike Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 I've been stopped in the mall by staff in these e-cigarette kiosks and, when I informed I only smoked cigars, was told they also have e-cigars! Can't imagine that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophidion Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Ive been toying with the idea of creating a cigar flavor extract but I dont think I would do that to even my NCs that I dont smoke. Mosty because I cant imagine purposely inhaling a cigar. Although you aren't technically supposed to inhale the vapor produced by an ecig since most of the nicotine is absorbed by the blood vessels in your mouth anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuintero Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuintero Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 I still think they are a good tool to help people quit smoking. I have more of a problem with the companies promoting then as a safe like-for-like replacement for cigarettes. That's when problems are going to arise and then kids taking up e-cigs without previously smoking. Market then as a tool in the arsenal to help people quit and I'm all for them, market them as a straight swap and nothing to do with quitting then the issue becomes muddled. At the moment they seem to be in a grey area of a quitting tool / fun harmless activity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckSARTech Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 So wrong.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overproof Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Man why would you want to chew on the end of your cigar!?! Wtf!, This is retarded on so many levels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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