BMack Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I'm just amazed someone noticed that! Geez!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persianpirate Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I'm guessing this was rolled out in phases. I have a MLO Sep 11 box with the microprinting, and two other Sep 11 boxes with the bottom right numbers in the leaves, but without the first half located under "CUBA" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 One of the CCW eagle eye readers has spotted a change to the current warranty seal. I can honestly say that I'm the "CCW eagle eye" that spotted the micro-print. /Janne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimb2u Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Great catch. Thanks for the info! Cheers Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigarros Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Trev! What about cuban domestic seals? Are they available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scdalak Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 So does logic dictate that vendors of all future grey market product will be forced to remove the entire lable??? Good luck with that!! Buy stock in box cutters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonVivant Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 it started already....was wondering for a while why would any vendor do that - well, the answer is in this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natedog Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 If your box had the barcode removed can you use the barcode numbers found on the seal for verification on the Habanos site? I tried but its asking me to choose a barcode style and I don't have a clue (it was removed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scdalak Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Wow thanks for sharing, as usual the after market is always a step ahead.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC4 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Why would they want to hide or remove the bar code? All that the bar code says that it's a legit box. It doesn't leave a trail to any distributor or anybody. Am I missing something here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 If your box had the barcode removed can you use the barcode numbers found on the seal for verification on the Habanos site? I tried but its asking me to choose a barcode style and I don't have a clue (it was removed). try checking the "enter manual" option and the 12-digit option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natedog Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 try checking the "enter manual" option and the 12-digit option. I did that. That's when your prompted to indicate witch numerical style barcode is on your box and that was removed. All I have is the micro numbers on the seal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt45 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Hi Ross....regarding the small type size....maybe they thought no one would notice? I think its purely to dissuade grey marketeers. Now, almost the whole seal will need to be defaced. Cheers Trevor. That would not work if each number hidden within the design was different. That is why digital printing, where the design is the same but each label changes the number within the design, no matter how complex, would be the way to go. I'm not sure how it actually works, but I imagine that, let's say all Montecristo No.4, might use the same code, and not sequential or random codes. So they could do offset runs for each various cigar. Again, I don't know - others keep an eye on this more than I. Why would they want to hide or remove the bar code? All that the bar code says that it's a legit box. It doesn't leave a trail to any distributor or anybody. Am I missing something here? Gray marketeers typically acquire their cigars from distributors outside of assigned regions, which is, for lack of better term, against company policy. The bar code would allow the cigars to be tracked back to the original distributor, who could then find themselves in hot water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I did that. That's when your prompted to indicate witch numerical style barcode is on your box and that was removed. All I have is the micro numbers on the seal. If you have a serial number starting with a no of zeros and a total of 12 digits, try selecting option 4) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natedog Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Why would they want to hide or remove the bar code? All that the bar code says that it's a legit box. It doesn't leave a trail to any distributor or anybody. Am I missing something here? My understanding is completely opposite to yours. The barcode is removed to protect the distributor. I don't have inside knowledge as to how the removal would protect them but that is what I understand. Please enlighten me if I am wrong. Without getting into specifics the cc were purchased from an online retailer in Switzerland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor2118 Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 I can honestly say that I'm the "CCW eagle eye" that spotted the micro-print. /Janne Great info mate......I did not want to identify you without your knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor2118 Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 My understanding is completely opposite to yours. The barcode is removed to protect the distributor. I don't have inside knowledge as to how the removal would protect them but that is what I understand. Please enlighten me if I am wrong. Without getting into specifics the cc were purchased from an online retailer in Switzerland. Have a read of this post: http://www.friendsofhabanos.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=113702 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssmith114 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Awesome! Thanks for sharing Trevor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor2118 Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 Trev! What about cuban domestic seals? Are they available? Hi Dmitrii, To the best of my knowledge these are an internal transit / security seal applied to all boxes (not just in Cuba) intended to be covered by the warranty seal before leaving the factories. In some cases seen, this seal was incorrectly applied and is fully visible, and in some cases, just the edge of the seal is left exposed. Attached is a photo from a box of Monte GR that I have. It is a Australia purchase (Rob) and the seal can be seen. I have also peeled back several warranty seals and found this "transit" seal under. Alex has undated the Packaging section to include this "transit" seal. http://www.cubanciga...aging.htm#Seals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celtmick1984 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I can honestly say that I'm the "CCW eagle eye" that spotted the micro-print. /Janne Give that man a cigar. No seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATGroom Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I can honestly say that I'm the "CCW eagle eye" that spotted the micro-print. /Janne Great catch, Janne. If you have a serial number starting with a no of zeros and a total of 12 digits, try selecting option 4) If you select enter via scanner you can just type in the numbers without being asked the barcode style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug535i Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I'm trying to narrow down exactly when this was introduced... at the moment I have seen two boxes of NOV 11 with no micro-printing, and boxes ABR12, MAY12, and JUN12 all with it. Could someone with December 11 or Jan, Feb, March 12 please let me know if your boxes have the revised seal? I imagine there was some overlap. Can confirm RUE MAR 12 as having the new seal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliverdst Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I don't know about you but if I receive a box without ANY seal I will never buy from that source again. Even if I trust the vendor how can I tell now he is not using of unwillingness and mixing real with fake boxes? I know there are many more ways to identify a fake box but I will not let them have an easy work. Unfortunately I don't know the vendors in person so there is no way I can really, really, really trust them. Fortunately there will always be vendors like FOH and LCdH's . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Give that man a cigar. No seriously Thanks for all the kudos, guys! I was actually trying to read the "old" micro text with a loupe when I spotted the serial number on the seal. Oh, and the old micro text is so blurry now that it is virtually impossible to read. The serial number also makes more sense than the old micro text. Thanks one again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor2118 Posted April 10, 2013 Author Share Posted April 10, 2013 Thanks for all the kudos, guys! I was actually trying to read the "old" micro text with a loupe when I spotted the serial number on the seal. Oh, and the old micro text is so blurry now that it is virtually impossible to read. The serial number also makes more sense than the old micro text. Thanks one again I would like to point out that it is CCW viewers such as Janne who are a great source of information to develop our website. We get absolutely no support from Habanos SA and absolutely no official (or unofficial) insider information. I have never received an answer to any question put to Habanos by email. Keep up the support guys. Trevor & Alex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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