sblevit Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Can someone explain to me why a box of E2s is more expensive than a box of Lusis and at least 50% more expensive than a box of D4s (for not much more cigar)? I'm not talking about any particular vendor's prices. I'm referring to the prices charged in Cuba and to vendors by HSA. Is this part of a new HSA strategy to replace old vitolas with new, more expensive ones where folks don't have an expectation as to pricing? For the life of me, I cannot figure out who would buy these when you get roughly 90% of the same enjoyment out of a cigar that is more than $100 cheaper per box. What am I missing? Didn't HSA learn their lesson on the overpriced Trini Robusto T?
gigabyte056 Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 "Didn't HSA learn their lesson on the overpriced Trini Robusto T? " No
Pilgrims Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 I've said it before and i'll say it again, when it comes to HSA applying logic will only leave you confused!! I agree with you mind you
rp99pts Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Yah, look at the new Serie D no 5. 1/2 inch shorter and $100 more than the No 4...Complete joke. I'll stick to the old stuff..
canadianbeaver Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Just picked up a box of the PSD5's, $195... my bad? I thought they looked like a fair deal. L
Orion21 Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 People buy whatever HSA releases good or bad. Part of figuring out what you like is smoking some cigars that are good and not so good. But the pricing scheme is puzzling with these new Partagas.
canadianbeaver Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 People buy whatever HSA releases good or bad. Part of figuring out what you like is smoking some cigars that are good and not so good. But the pricing scheme is puzzling with these new Partagas. I see they are $225 + shipping elsewhere, and not even for sale on the Czar's regular line up. I got them at the LFH. Matthew and I are thrilled. BUT, I lit one up the other night and it was so green. I have put them to bed for at least 6 months, maybe a year if I can resist.
Orion21 Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 That price is much lower than Czar and most other sites I have used in the past, but the main point is that a glorified Petit D4 is priced at a $100 premium per box compared to the D4, which makes no sense what-so-ever. It's EL/RE pricing for a regular line "green" product. I am very happy you are thrilled with the purchased and hope you enjoy them in 6-12
canadianbeaver Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 That price is much lower than Czar and most other sites I have used in the past, but the main point is that a glorified Petit D4 is priced at a $100 premium per box compared to the D4, which makes no sense what-so-ever. It's EL/RE pricing for a regular line "green" product. I am very happy you are thrilled with the purchased and hope you enjoy them in 6-12 I do not understand what you are saying? A box of PSD4's is $211 on this site.
CaptainQuintero Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Is this part of a new HSA strategy to replace old vitolas with new, more expensive ones Yes.
ramon_cojones Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Such a disturbing trend along with the phasing out of cabs.
Orion21 Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 I do not understand what you are saying? A box of PSD4's is $211 on this site. I don't know if I should be saying this, but a box of HQ E2's went for $375 on an LFTH. My personal opinion is that the E5 & E2 are overpriced cigars compared to Monte Edmundo/Petit Edmundo.
melies Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 D5 - D4 all over again, also the Trinidad short robusto and the robusto T...
winelover Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Good thread. There are so many anomalies when it comes to habano pricing. Are 10 behikes really worrth more rthan 25 HUSW? Would you pay more for a short robusto T EL over a normal (and still overpriced robusto T? On the otherhand there have been some more reasonably priced RE successes such as the recent RA which is pleasing to see in a 25ct.
Guest rob Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Not intending to make this a polictical thread - but HSA has Capitalism worked out perfectly. From a given resource, with the least amount of effort and input - make as much money as possible. Make smaller cigars and sell them for more makes perfect sence!
El Presidente Posted March 13, 2012 Posted March 13, 2012 Can someone explain to me why a box of E2s is more expensive than a box of Lusis and at least 50% more expensive than a box of D4s (for not much more cigar)? I'm not talking about any particular vendor's prices. I'm referring to the prices charged in Cuba and to vendors by HSA. Is this part of a new HSA strategy to replace old vitolas with new, more expensive ones where folks don't have an expectation as to pricing? For the life of me, I cannot figure out who would buy these when you get roughly 90% of the same enjoyment out of a cigar that is more than $100 cheaper per box. What am I missing? Didn't HSA learn their lesson on the overpriced Trini Robusto T? 29.4 % larger than a D4 15.6% smaller than a Lusi. I have never worked out some pricing decisions
canadianbeaver Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 I do not understand what you are saying? A box of PSD4's is $211 on this site. Last night at our herf Keith and I were discussing what this thread was talking about. Basically what you are saying is that based on price PER INCH, the D5 costs about $100 too much per box compared to the D4. I guess I get that but I would have never really thought of cigar buying by the inch, just as I would never marry a man by the inch But I do see what you are saying. Lisa
jimschn Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 Last night at our herf Keith and I were discussing what this thread was talking about. Basically what you are saying is that based on price PER INCH, the D5 costs about $100 too much per box compared to the D4. I guess I get that but I would have never really thought of cigar buying by the inch, just as I would never marry a man by the inch But I do see what you are saying. Lisa If you were really obsessed, you could do the math to figure out the volume with the ring gauge, and figure you are going to throw about an inch away
Styler Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 Can you measure a cigar on the sum of it's tobacco though? Off the top of my head I'd say that an HU Connie 1 is a better cigar than a SCDLH Muralla, if I had the two offered to me then I'd pick the Connie 1 every time. Why then would I start to feel uncomfortable if I had to pay more for the Connie 1, just because there's more tobacco in the Muralla?... food for thought!
khomeinist Posted March 14, 2012 Posted March 14, 2012 No offense but kind of a moot point. The Upmann Connies are about half the price of Murallas. If Connie 1s were around $300 US a box, Sir Winnnies would look like quite the value.... These pricing structures are complicated but the specific point that recent Partagas releases are a poor value seems like a rather valid observation. It seems that 'Serie' has become the branding logo for Partagas. Unfortunate that so many great Partagas vitolas were discontinued to make this happen. Most of the recent HSA branding (Monte Open, R&J Churchill series, etc) has been a bit silly. But as many have noted, these marketing programs are not aimed at the long- time enthusiast but rather the generalized luxury consumer. Oh well. Stock up on 898V and hope HSA gets some new management.
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