La Gloria Cubana Marshall AKA Vegas Robaina Marshall

[Trevor2118]

Advice has now been received form the distributors (Camelot) regarding the proposed 2008 La Gloria Cubana Marshall release.

Because of trade mark problems (Swedish Match registered La Gloria Cubana in Croatia and regions before Habanos SA did) the cigars had to be re-branded as Vegas Robaina.

As production was finalised before this fact was discovered, the cigars had to be re-banded and a metal plate was added to the 343Boxes (of 10) to cover the LGC brand.....note how the plate has been applied over the RE corner band.

The re-branded Marshalls have now been released.

[El Presidente]

Thanks Trevor.

Retail price is 116 Euro per box of 10. I won't be getting any in but if there are members seriously interested then you may contact the distributors direct as they may entertain shipping individual boxes (I have no idea). Address it to Alen at the following addy: [email protected]

[Ken Gargett]

hang on? does this not throw the entire concept of house styles down the toilet?

one week a cigar is a LGC, the next it is a VR? can someone explain how one can ever have confidence in habanos again?

i know that these are not the standard lines from a producer but surely even in the RR range, some link to the house that is allegedly producing it should be evident. otherwise why not dump the names of all alleged producers from RR and LE's and just say an 'RR'?

to me, this is like, leaving aside potential legal issues, rockford producing their basket press shiraz but then charlie melton from down the road needs some more shiraz or can't make his or whatever so he puts his name on the rockford (and not for a second suggesting either rockford or charlie would ever be involved in something like that).

am i missing the point or does alleged producer/house/brand no longer matter? i know that the same factory makes many different cigars for different producers but i at last assumed, mistakenly apparently, that they made them to equate to the house style.

so all we have left is whether it is a good cigar or not, not whether it is a good cohiba or a representative partagas. or am i missing something? i really hope i am.

[BolivarSmoker]

hang on? does this not throw the entire concept of house styles down the toilet?

one week a cigar is a LGC, the next it is a VR? can someone explain how one can ever have confidence in habanos again?

i know that these are not the standard lines from a producer but surely even in the RR range, some link to the house that is allegedly producing it should be evident. otherwise why not dump the names of all alleged producers from RR and LE's and just say an 'RR'?

to me, this is like, leaving aside potential legal issues, rockford producing their basket press shiraz but then charlie melton from down the road needs some more shiraz or can't make his or whatever so he puts his name on the rockford (and not for a second suggesting either rockford or charlie would ever be involved in something like that).

am i missing the point or does alleged producer/house/brand no longer matter? i know that the same factory makes many different cigars for different producers but i at last assumed, mistakenly apparently, that they made them to equate to the house style.

so all we have left is whether it is a good cigar or not, not whether it is a good cohiba or a representative partagas. or am i missing something? i really hope i am.

I have to agree with Ken. This is disturbing.

[mkz]

Im with Ken on this one...

This whole deal sounds like bollocks to me!

[El Presidente]

Whoa...don't jump ahead of ourselves.

The decision to can the LGC due to unforseen trademark issues (that is another question) was 12 months ago. No cigars had been rolled.

My understanding is that this is a new blend entirely but in the same vitola. Packaging is a seperate logistics division to to cigar blending and production.

Every Friday around 10 - 20 people are invited ( to a factory to go over and taste blends for new cigars including Regional Releases). It is here that blends are determined in a blind tasting format (Gigar 1 2 & 3). It is from this tasting that blends are selected.

[BolivarSmoker]

Whoa...don't jump ahead of ourselves.

The decision to can the LGC due to unforseen trademark issues (that is another question) was 12 months ago. No cigars had been rolled.

My understanding is that this is a new blend entirely but in the same vitola. Packaging is a seperate logistics division to to cigar blending and production.

Every Friday around 10 - 20 people are invited ( to a factory to go over and taste blends for new cigars including Regional Releases). It is here that blends are determined in a blind tasting format (Gigar 1 2 & 3). It is from this tasting that blends are selected.

Well that makes me feel better. I was sitting here wondering if the RASS I am smoking is only a RASS because they ran out of Bolivar bands at the factory (LOL)!

[Ken Gargett]

Whoa...don't jump ahead of ourselves.

The decision to can the LGC due to unforseen trademark issues (that is another question) was 12 months ago. No cigars had been rolled.

My understanding is that this is a new blend entirely but in the same vitola. Packaging is a seperate logistics division to to cigar blending and production.

Every Friday around 10 - 20 people are invited ( to a factory to go over and taste blends for new cigars including Regional Releases). It is here that blends are determined in a blind tasting format (Gigar 1 2 & 3). It is from this tasting that blends are selected.

that is of some comfort but still sounds a bit arse about.

if i understand you, the cigars are rolled and then a decision is made as to which house/producer/brand they should be part of? shouldn't they decide they need to make umpteen boxes of partagas 898's or monte 2's or whatever and select the leaves that will best suit. i thought that was what they did.

what happens when something is made that doesn't suit (and forget the LE's and RR's here - the LE's use the more aged tobacco so they would not fit this) a particular line - as in a pyramide is made that fits cohiba or SLR? is that how we get RR's or is it just shoehorned in under a brand? surely not. it would explain a lot of the variation.

whilst i am somewhat relieved re the response, i am even more confused, if that is possible.

[mkz]

Whoa...don't jump ahead of ourselves.

The decision to can the LGC due to unforseen trademark issues (that is another question) was 12 months ago. No cigars had been rolled.

My understanding is that this is a new blend entirely but in the same vitola. Packaging is a seperate logistics division to to cigar blending and production.

Every Friday around 10 - 20 people are invited ( to a factory to go over and taste blends for new cigars including Regional Releases). It is here that blends are determined in a blind tasting format (Gigar 1 2 & 3). It is from this tasting that blends are selected.

Thanks for the heads-up Prez!

Feeling better already...

[El Presidente]

Ken...do you ever read what I write?

The blending (decision) is completed before the cigars go into production. It is the results from the blending meetings (always Fridays) that the decision is made as to what final tinkering is made...extra half leaf of Ligero...full leaf of Seco etc.

The blind cigars presented at the Friday blending meeting are already rolled to a marque blend....ie lets say they are looking at the SLR Pacifico. The tasters rate the cigars (set tasting sheet) as to what they prefer and can comment on the blend. The results are taken away and the final blend for the SLR Pacifico is determined.

[compitaveggie]

Thanks for clearing things up Pres.

Jose

[samb]

Cool, thanks for the reassurance. I thought it was pretty unnerving that they would do that.

[Ken Gargett]

Ken...do you ever read what I write?

no.

but the rest of it now makes a little more sense, now that you have clarified things, as opposed to the confusion imposed earlier - not pointing fingers, but...

[Bartolomeo]

Thanks Trevor.

Retail price is 116 Euro per box of 10. I won't be getting any in but if there are members seriously interested then you may contact the distributors direct as they may entertain shipping individual boxes (I have no idea). Address it to Alen at the following addy: [email protected]

Done and Done

Bart

[landhoney]

Done and Done

Bart

Me too, have to get a box of these.

[kjellfrick]

Me too, have to get a box of these.

I also sent away a request.

[Jesuscookies]

Those are counterfeit!

Notice how there is a metal stamp on the box? Cuban SLB's are always burn pressed in. Gosh what a bunch of noobs!

[android]

Advice has now been received form the distributors (Camelot) regarding the proposed 2008 La Gloria Cubana Marshall release.

Because of trade mark problems (Swedish Match registered La Gloria Cubana in Croatia and regions before Habanos SA did) the cigars had to be re-branded as Vegas Robaina.

As production was finalised before this fact was discovered, the cigars had to be re-banded and a metal plate was added to the 343Boxes (of 10) to cover the LGC brand.....note how the plate has been applied over the RE corner band.

The re-branded Marshalls have now been released.

Trevor, only 343 Bx.? I see in your pic's that 1500 appears to be the total #! Is that wrong?

[Nocoins]

I think that's 3-4-3 boxes of 10.

[Trevor2118]

I think that's 3-4-3 boxes of 10.

Spot on...

They are 3-4-3 boxes of 10, 1,500 made.

[Trevor2118]

Those are counterfeit!

Notice how there is a metal stamp on the box? Cuban SLB's are always burn pressed in. Gosh what a bunch of noobs!

Always the Joker

[Trevor2118]

Whoa...don't jump ahead of ourselves.

The decision to can the LGC due to unforseen trademark issues (that is another question) was 12 months ago. No cigars had been rolled.

My understanding is that this is a new blend entirely but in the same vitola. Packaging is a separate logistics division to to cigar blending and production.

Every Friday around 10 - 20 people are invited ( to a factory to go over and taste blends for new cigars including Regional Releases). It is here that blends are determined in a blind tasting format (Cigar 1 2 & 3). It is from this tasting that blends are selected.

Hi Rob, regarding the packaging.

I've just opened a box and it is stamped inside the lid TEB SEP08. I was under the impression that the boxes were not date stamped until just before release? BTW. Both boxes have a second old seal XV...... serial number, over the original JL.... serial number. Pulled the metal plaque off one box, and the La Gloria Cubana seal is present.

Can you enquire about this?

[Fatcigar]

VR or LGC ???? :rotfl: :rotfl:

[thechenman]

Very nice.

[Mr. Japan]

Ken have you ever seen the packing of 5 Piramides or 5 Robustos gidt boxes ?